Posts Tagged ‘NSW State Records’

Note: I published this yesterday but I accidently deleted it.

Since my last post in late January I haven’t done any work on my family history. I have been too busy with my day job and then the weekend comes and all I want to do is ‘nothing’.

I am finally going to have a couple of days off, in two weeks, so my plan is to go out to the NSW State Records office at Kingswood to do some research on one of these days. I’m particularly interested to see if I can track down some information on Samuel Baker (convict – arrived ‘England’ 1835), as well as some other bits for other ancestors, which next week, I’ll start to look at so that I have an actual plan and see if I need be order the documents ready for viewing before I go. The last time I visited the records office was in September & October 2009.

I have though been reading some blogs. I have RSS reader on my iPhone and do check what new posts have been made throughout the day.If I have read an interesting one then I copy it over to Evernote and eventually I’ll be able to go back to it, to have a proper read, especially if the post is something I am interested in, such as UK or Ireland research tips or links.

Yesterday, I registered to do the ‘English Parish Records’ via National Institute of Genealogical Studies commencing on the 4th April and it goes for 8 weeks. I’m also registered to do the Social Media for Genealogists, which also starts on the 4th April, which goes for 5 weeks. The social media one is free, though it does have a compulsory book that you need to order for US$18.95.

I’ll let you know what I think of both courses, especially the English Parish Registers one, as I did start the three (3) week course that was recently run by Pharos Tutors on ‘All About Parish Registers’. I’ll leave my thoughts on that until later when I compare the two courses.

I also have received a reply finally from the Suffolk Records Office on buying the microfiche for Boxford & Bures St Mary for my One Place Studies. I would still like to transcribe the parish registers,but I still need to obtain permission to publish the data to my Boxford Suffolk OPS which I’m yet to do. I also need to track down a cheap microfiche reader, as I’d rather be at home transcribing instead of having to go to the library. It would be easier at home also, as then I can transcribe directly from the fiche to the PC. So for now, I’ll be concentrating on the census records for both parishes and I’ll look at purchasing the registers at a later date. For anyone interested, there is also a One Place Studies Index which came live late last year and is regularly being updated, One Place Studies Index

Thats it for now..

The name comes from the Gaelic “O’Cuirc”, another form is “O’Coirce”. In Galway, the name also took the form “Oates,” to distinguish between branches of families. Quirke in Gaelic sounds like the word for Oates in Gaelic. It was common for parish registers to have a person’s records include both spellings of Quirke and Quirk, if an unrelated person such as a neighbour was sent to register the birth, the name was not always spelled correctly.

James and Alice Quirke were married around 1796 at Tipperary, Ireland and soon after moved to Mount Nugent, St Johns Well, Kilkenny Ireland. Their children were:

Peter Quirke – (1798-1863)

John Quirke – (1814-c 1850)

Thomas Quirke (1821-1866)

Nicholas Quirke (details unknown)

They also had another 6 males and 2 females, of which details of their names are unknown . A few years ago, a distant cousin that I was in contact with, sent me a copy of a document that was written by Thomas Quirke (b:1834-d:1908) In this document Thomas writes about his life and experiences but the most interesting thing was that he wrote about his parents and grandparents.

Who were the Quirke’s who came to Australia

Many of the Quirke Family came out to Australia between 1849 & 1865. Of which my GGG Grandmother, Mary Quirk was one, who had arrived on the ship Athenian in 1853.

First Name Birth Date Native Place Ship Name Arrival Date Reel Numbers Comments
Margaret Quirk Abt 1828 Goran, St Johnswell, Kilkenny, Ireland Victoria 2nd Sep 1849 Reel 2136, Reel 2460, [4/4915] Sister to James
James Quirk Abt 1824 Goran, St Johnswell, Kilkenny, Ireland Victoria 2nd Sep 1849 Brother to Margaret
Peter Quirk Abt 1798 St Johnswell, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 6 Feb 1852 Reel 2136; Reel 2463, [4/4926] Father to Margaret & James above
Mary Quirk Abt 1814 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 6 Feb 1852 Wife of Peter Quirke, maiden name Connon
Michael Quirk Abt 1832 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 6 Feb 1852
John Quirk Abt 1835 Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 6 Feb 1852
Mary Quik Abt 1849 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 8 Feb 1852
Nicholas Quirk Abt 1839 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 8 Feb 1852
Thomas Quirk Abt 1834 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 8 Feb 1852
Peter Quirk Abt 1842 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Neptune 8 Feb 1852
Mary Quirk Abt 1831 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Athenian 15 Dec 1853 An Uncle Peter Quirk living in Sydney
Patrick Quirk Abt 1835 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland David McIver 18 Dec 1854 Reel 2137; Reel 2466, [4/4937] Sister Mary living in Sydney
Catherine Quirk Abt 1811 Tipperary, Ireland Matoaka 22 Jan 1857 Reel 2138; Reel 2476, [4/4970] Mother of Mary Quirke & Patrick, maiden name Slattery
Margaret Quirk Abt 1840 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Matoaka 22 Jan 1857
Catherine Quirk Abt 1842 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Matoaka 22 Jan 1857
Thomas Quirk Abt 1821 St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Nile 4 May 1861 Reel 2139, [4/4796] Brother to Peter Quirk
Mary Quirk Abt 1846 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Nile 4 May 1861
Johanna Quirk St Johns Well, Kilkenny, Ireland Nile 4 May 1861 Mother of Mary Quirke & Wife of Thomas Quirke

A searchable index of the NSW Assistant Immigrants is available on the NSW State Records website.  You can also scroll through the digital copies of the Bounty Immigrants lists, 1838-96, ship by ship. These digital copies are the Agents Lists and the reels numbers range between 2134 & 2137. More detailed shipping lists can be found on the reels that begin with 24 and these can be found at your local library or at the NSW State Records.  These show more detail such as names of parents and comments such as ‘Uncle Peter Quirk, living in Sydney’.

1847 – 1864 Griffith’s Valuation

James Quirke acted as a landlord for a man named Millet at Mount Nugent. After James died his son John was appointed Agent for the landlord and held the position until he was accidentally killed by being crushed between a gate post and a vehicle.

County: Kilkenny

Parish: Rathcoole

Lessor: James Millet

Townland: MountNugent – Lower

Nicholas Quirle – Land. – Total net value of Land : £3.

Peter Quirke – House, Office & Land. – Total net value of Land/Buildings: £18.5

William Quirke – House, Office & Land. – Total net value of Land/Buildings: £13.10

Townland: MountNugent – Upper

Nicholas Quirke – Land. – Total net value of Land : £4

Catherine Quirke – House, Office & Land. – Total net value of Land/Buildings: £3.5 – cannot be sure, but I think this Catherine is possibly the wife of John Quirke (who died prior to 1850).

Nicholas Quirke – House, Office &Land. – Total net value of Land : £21

I know that some people will not agree with what I’m about to write but the way I see it, if someone reading this learns from my experience then I’ve done my job.

I don’t like

Why you ask? I have really not been a fan of the Australian content on Ancestry at all. From past experience I don’t think the information or indexes are that accurate and I do think that to do your family history in Australia (especially NSW) you have the resources you need at the local library, State Records and other places, not just Ancestry.

I used to use the site to view UK records but as only as ‘pay per view’ subscription but it seems that there is a lot of data that as a ‘pay per view’ subscriber I still cannot see.  I also don’t like the fact that a number of records I saved in my ‘Shoebox’ I can longer access as I don’t have a monthly subscription. I really don’t like the idea of having to pay for something I know I can get elsewhere for free. Take for instance the latest development from Ancestry, ‘Australian Vital Records on Ancestry’.  Though in saying that, there are some sites, that I’m more than happy to pay to view additional data.

I come from the old school of family history research.  I started my research in the late 1980’s.  With this I went to the library and sat in front of a microfiche, looked at microfilm and looked at books that had indexes to check the NSW BDM indexes, sands directories, electoral rolls and immigrant reels.  When I found a birth, marriage or death index that I wanted to get the certificate for, I would then have to order this directly from the NSW BDM Registry, by paper form and then send it via snail post. It cost a lot less than (I think about $8.00) but it would take anything up to 4 weeks to get the requested certificate. When I received it, I would then go back to the library to take another look at the microfiche to gain more details about my ancestor and the search continue. For those that began back then, you will understand. For others, who have only just started in the last few years, there are now plenty of databases and information now available online and it’s a lot easier and quicker to gain information. I think this is great but I find the ‘excitement’ about having these ‘Vital Records’ now online a little hard to take, due to the fact, that they already are on line for most of the Australian states, (except for SA and I think WA).  Yes, for Victoria, you have to pay to view the indexes but that to me is just a small price to pay.  The indexes are also available on CD, (for NSW, SA & Victoria, don’t know about the other states).  To me, I’d still rather take the trip to the library to have a look at the CD or look online and then purchase a transcription of the certificate I’m after than pay Ancestry to look at an image.

If Ancestry, really want people to subscribe to their site then I feel that the actual indexes need to show more data, such as the year, place or even parents’ names that helps a person to identify what they are seeing, so that people can say, “hey, I think that one is my ancestor, I want to see more information or I want to see the image and I’m happy to pay for that”.  Currently for someone who does not have a subscription, all you see for the Australian Vital Indexes, is the name of the person and that’s it.  No location, no year, so for me that it not an incentive to pay to look at an image, especially when I can look at the indexes at and then make my decision to purchase a transcription of the certificate from an agent.

When it comes to paying for information online, especially for UK information, I’m more than happy to have a subscription, to FindMyPast. (though I only do the ‘pay per view’ as I don’t need a full subscription and I still get all of the information I need)

Yes, you need to register to view the site, but the indexes are free to look at and I just feel that for me FindMyPast is a better experience as there is more information in the index for you to make a choice as to which image you want to view.

Below is a list of just some of the repositories that I have used in my research and yes, some of them you have to subscribe and pay to view images:

Pay to view sites: – I note that they now have the UK Birth Indexes fully searchable. Refer to the blog for more information:  FindMyPastUK Blog – Over 20,000 pages of online records for family history research in New South Wales, Australia. (cost per year $40)

Free Indexes or other sites: (NSW Birth Death Marriages) (NSW State Records Online Indexes) (I note also that digital copies of the Bounty Immigrants lists, 1838-96, are available for free on the site) – Newtown Project. Has the full Sands Directories between 1858 & 1932 on line.  If you know your ancestor lived in the Newtown area (like mine) than you have free access to a great source of information.

City of Sydney Archives –  Assessment Books 1845 – 1950 – compiled by the Council as a record of basic information about each building (later, each property) in the city which was liable to pay rates

And of course, my Favourite: and Family Search Pilot site,where a lot more information is now becoming available.

So in summary: is not the only place to do your family history.  Look at all available records, take the time to do the work, find out what else is available and verify all information that you come across. Get out of your chair and away from your PC and take the time to learn about what other research mechanisms is out there. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Enjoy your night or day, where ever you are.