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My Paternal grandfather Frederick George Richer was born to Thomas Richer and Matilda Emma Scutcher in 1883 at Walthamstow Essex.

This post will concentrate on the Scutcher family. The surname of Scutcher has many spellings, consisting of:

  • Scutcher,
  • Scotcher
  • Chutche
  • Chutchee
  • Scutche
  • Scutchey
  • Cutcher
  • Sutcher
  • Scutchy

Matilda Emma Scutcher was born in 1842 Tendring, Great Bentley, Essex.  Her parents were:  Francis Scutcher and Mary Pretty.

Francis and Mary were married at Great Bentley Essex on the 21 July 1818. Francis’s surname on the English Marriages 1538-1973 located on Family Search shows it as being Scutche.

Francis and Mary had 11 children:I note here that all of the christening information on Family Search are shown as Scutche and Scutchey

  • MaryAnn             Born 1818
  • Sarah                  Born 1821
  • John Francis        Born 1824
  • Eliza                   Born 1826
  • Elizabeth             Born 1829 – Died 1836
  • William                Born 1832 – Died 1854
  • Susanna              Born 1834
  • Hannah                Born 1839
  • Matilda Emma      Born 1842 – Died 1925
  • Francis                Born 1844

Trying to find the family on the UK census has been difficult as the as the surnames have been transcribed incorrectly. For instance the 1841 census shows the family as:

  • Francis Scuther    48
  • Mary Souther      40
  • William Souther   9
  • Susanna Souther  5
  • James Souther      4
  • Hannah Souther  2

From looking at the image, it clearly shows the name as Scutcher. On the 1851 Census they are indexed as Scotcher and again the image clearly (me anyway) showing Scutcher.

  • Francis Scotcher   60
  • Mary Scotcher      50
  • James Scotcher     14
  • Hannah Scotcher  12
  • Matilda Scotcher    9
  • Francis Scotcher     7
  • James Scutcher     96

Moving on, Francis’s parents were James and Susan Scutcher.  I have not as yet been able to find their marriage or what Susan’s maiden name was, but she was born about 1759 and died in 1820 and is buried at the St Mary the Virgin Church at Great Bentley Essex (source: National Burial Index Third Edition

James born about 1755 and a number of trees on ancestry have his father’s name as being Ambrose but as yet I haven’t found any evidence of this though in saying this, James & Susan did have a son named Ambrose born in 1789.

James and Susan had 7 children:

  • Susan             Born 1783
  • James             Born 1785
  • Ambrose         Born 1789
  • Francis           Born 1790 – 1869
  • Elizabeth         Born 1793
  • Anne               Born 1795
  • Mary               Born 1797

James Scutcher died in 1851 and is buried at the St Mary the Virgin Church at Great Bentley Essex (source: National Burial Index Third Edition).

What’s up Doc?

Posted: January 7, 2012 in Ancestry, Baldwin, FamilySearch, General

Well, firstly not much but did I grab your attention?  If so, keep reading….

I haven’t written a blog since my last entry back in May when I announced that I was going to Gallipoli for Anzac day, well now it’s down to 3 months and 9 days until I fly out.  I’m basically thinking about nothing else.

I didn’t do much research during 2011, just little bits and pieces here and there. I sometimes just wasn’t that interested and haven’t had a lot of time. As I work full time and I only have Sunday’s to research, all I’ve wanted to do is just relax.

I have RSS Google reader so I have been reading lots of blogs. I find I only read the ones that really capture me at the start. In particular News Items and anything that people write about in terms of the research they are doing, what they found and how they went about it. I tend to be reading more Irish & UK blogs more than anything.

This is just a small sample of the blogs that I have read.

Research Update

I did do some work between the Christmas and New Year break, where I found myself basically spending a great deal of time on AncestryUK.  I started searching for some information on my paternal RICHER line. As my father never knew his father, (Frederick George Richer)  I wanted to see if I could find some additional information on the service records for his brothers. I already knew that both Fred and his brother Alfred arrived in Australia around 1913. Alfred’s wife and two children arrived in Brisbane in 1915.  By the time war broke out Fred was in Melbourne and he enlisted in the AIF Field Artillery Brigade 2, Battery 4 in August 1914 whereas Alfred was still in Brisbane and went back to England as an Imperial Reservists. (Middlesex Regiment – Number: 457027) and they both returned to Australia in 1919.

From this I then turned my attention to their older brother James.  By fluke I found a photo of James on one of the Ancestry trees. James married Annie Loader in 1915 and immigrated to Canada in 1919. Now I have something that I can show my dad what his father ‘might have looked like’.

I also spent a lot of time doing other searches for both my Richerl Scutcher and Baldwin families, updating events, timelines, adding census records to my Ancestry trees.  I also found my GGG Grandparents marriage on Family Search, which I had not been able to find previously.

I knew their names from the baptism record of my ancestor John Baldwin, which shows:

“John Baldwin son of Samuel and Mary his wife, late Warren, baptised 21st April 1804”

By putting in Samuel Baldwin as the person I was looking for, including the place as Suffolk and a date range, I received no results. It was only when I put Mary Warren in the marriage came up as follows:

Groom’s Name: Samuel Boldwin
Bride’s Name: Mary Warren
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1804
Marriage Place: Polstead,Suffolk,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06302-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 919627

I would have thought that even putting the surname in as Baldwin, the search function would still have been able to pick up the different spellings.  I know for other surnames, it picks it up, but not for this particular instance.

Books that I plan to read in the next couple of months.  I’m interested in reading anything about WW1, particularly, either Gallipoli or the Western Front

I’m currently reading “Over the Top”.

Bye for now…


Last weekend I spent two days at the History and Genealogy Expo at Parramatta, which was well run by Unlock the Past.

Over the two days I attended five talks.  In all, the two day event was excellent and I took away with me some knew found knowledge and some excellent new resources that I bought, such as some books and software.

From each of the talks I attended, I talk a great deal of notes and in summary I provide the following links relating to 3 of the talks I attended:

Caring for Your family history archives


Discover Scottish Family History


Tracing your Irish Ancestors to their Homeland

  • Find your ancestors in Australia first before trying to find them in Ireland
    • Check Shipping Records
    • Birth, Death & Marriage Records
    • Once you know where they came from:
      • What is a townland
      • What is a parish
      • Why did the leave Ireland?
      • What was the agricultural situation like?


Bookings for the History & Genealogy Expo Sydney 2010 have now opened.  As quoted on the Unlock the Past Site:

“The Expo is unique opportunity to see many societies, libraries and commercial product and service suppliers in one place and to learn from the many expert presenters. A significant focus will be on introducing newcomers to history and genealogy, but we expect to have something for researchers at all levels”

At a cost of $10 for both days, I have prebooked my ticket, as well as pre-booked for the following talks:

Date Details
Friday 22 October Discover Scottish Family History – Paton
Friday 22 October FamilySearch: Ancestors At Your Fingertips – Parton
Saturday 23 October Researching Families In British India – Murphy
Saturday 23 October Immigration From Ireland – McIntyre

This will be my first Genealogy Expo despite over 20 years of researching my family history.  It will be good to meet other genealogists, as well as after all these years, I just might learn something new. :-)

Ancestry and Public Trees

Posted: August 17, 2010 in Ancestry, Resources

Today, I was looking at Ancestry at the local library to see if there was any information or public trees on my George Thomas Mathews.  George was born around 1840 at Prospect NSW and died sometime after 1894. I have looked at every death of a George Mathews/Matthews who died between 1894 & 1920 in New South Wales (when his wife remarried) but to no avail. You can read more about George and his ‘disappearance’ here and what I have done to try to find out when he died (which I get that I’m never going to know), in the hopes that maybe one day I’ll find out his parents’ names. I have 5 birth certificates of George & Ellen’s children and in all of them George was the informant and his birth place is listed as Prospect, New South Wales. Therefore I have to believe that he was born in NSW.

Today I found a number of public trees with George Mathews and his wife Ellen Shoulders with children. Now for the life of me, I don’t understand is why the public trees I found with George Mathews have incorrect information.

  • One tree has their Daughter Susan Jane Mathews, who married Robert Tailby, with a death date of 1955.  Wrong!  I have her death certificate and she died in 1916.
  • There are a couple of trees that had George’s birth to be around 1836 or 1840 and with the parents of Henry Mathews & Susan or Susannah Morris. I thought cool; someone must have found some information but I’m not so sure. Some had no source citations but one of them did as follows:
    • Source Detail for George’s birth was: A shipping record, he is listed as age 5, on a ship called Victorian, which arrived in NSW in 1841 and he was travelling with Thomas Mathews (aged 24) and Sarah Mathews (aged 35). Yeah, maybe George was born outside of Australia (which is probably why I cannot find his birth in NSW but then again, I don’t know the name of his parents and yes, I have checked the corresponding births in NSW and cross them out for various reasons) but that does not solve where or how someone was able to work out that this shipping record relates to my ‘George Thomas Matthews’.
    • When you click on the father’s name Henry Mathews, the source details for Henry & his wife Susan, are connected to a 1861 UK census and living at: Guilden Morden, Cambridgeshire, England. Henry, age 61, Susan Age 61, George, age 21, and Eliza age 18. Me is now confused. I also note that this family also appear in the 1841 & 1851 UK Census.

I can’t help but think someone has picked up some information and just attached it without bothering to verify the information and then everyone else has just followed suit. So therefore, I conclude that the parents of Henry & Susan that are attached to George Thomas Mathews in the trees I found, and the source information of the 1861 UK census is incorrect and the family above are not related to my George Mathews.

Why don’t people verify the information they find on the Internet?  Why is it so hard to do the actual work to trace your family history? Tracing your history means, getting information and verifying information, such as obtaining Birth, Death & Marriage certificates. Why is this so hard for people to do? I have done a lot of the leg work over the last 20 years and am happy to provide and exchange information with people. In some cases, things don’t seem quite right and you just have to take it that what you find is more than likely correct but I still put a disclaimer on what I have found if I am still not 100% sure.

I guess, I’m still at square one.  Right now, I believe this one will always stay a mystery, especially considering that I have no proof of the names of George’s parents.

I did it again.  I decided today that I would record some of my ‘notes’ and other items that I have found recently into my Legacy Database.  But once again, I got side tracked…..

Firstly, I was recording an event against my ancestor Dennis McCormack into the legacy database and I wanted the actual link to the Trove website to include. So because I didn’t have it, I did another search.  That’s when I first got side-tracked.  I found an article I had not seen before in relation to William McCormack, the eldest son of Dennis & Mary McCormack, which related to his death in 1878. He died of burns to his body and there was an investigation into how William was treated at Maitland Hospital prior to his death.  Interesting reading: Maitland Mercury Article – William McCormack

Then I started back into inputting more information into my Legacy database and for the last couple of days, I’ve been working on my ‘Quirke’ Surname and once again, instead of concentrating on what it is that I should be doing, I somehow, ended up at and found the following:

County Kilkenny Tithe Applotments 1827 St Johns Civil Parish Kilkenny Poor Law Union
Gowran & Shillelogher Baronies and Kilkenny City

  • Quirke John 30 3 Radestown Cramer
  • Quirke William 302 45 Gardens at Michael’s lane

The John Quirke above, could be my ancestor, but there were a number of ‘Quirke’s living in the Kilkenny area during the same time.

So far, I have not gone back to the pile of things to input into the database, because then I whilst  as some of you know, when you start to get sidetracked, other ideas get into your head and think, maybe I’ll try this search or that search and whilst I was searching, I ended up at Origin’s Network and I have in the past ignored any links to subscribe but today I decided to subscribe for 72 hours full access for £8.00.  So far the £8.00 is worth it, as I have found a bit of information, some of which is below. Some I know are definitely my ancestors, some others maybe, but I I will keep for later reference.

1: There are 139 Quirke’s listed in the Griffiths’ Valuations for Kilkenny, of which some I already know are connected to mine (considering GV can be viewed for free on Griifth’s Valuation I’ll check on the full list another time)

2: A total of 18 Quirke’s are listed on the Tithe Defaulters, 1831 – of which the following 3 I know are my ancestors.

  • Quirk James farmer Mt Nugent
  • Quirk Peter farmer Mt Nugent
  • Quirk John farmer Mt Nugen

3: The following are listed Electoral Registers for Ireland 1832-38

  • James Dilworth  – Tyrone Dungannon. (I have a Joseph Dilworth & a John Dilworth from Tyrone. Joseph came to NSW in 1842)
  • John Fitzgerald – Limerick – 1838 – Freemen admitted since 1831
  • John Fitzgerald, Limerick – 1837 – Voters & Excise Licences (the father of my Mary Fitzgerald who was born in Stonehall, Limerick was a ‘John Fitzgerald’).]
  • A total of 18 ‘Quirke’s are listed but none of them are in Kilkenny.

Just got to get back to that recording and filing of that information that I have found, but it’s so much more fun searching for stuff then actually inputting into the database, once I have found it.

Oh the joys…

I have now discovered after reading the update by Chris over at Scottish Genes that there is an advanced search function where you can search for baptisms if you know the names of both parents.  The advanced search is used when you click on the particular county that you are interested in, such as Kilkenny.

I did another search this morning for the children of John Quirke & Catherine Slattery. The number of hits was 5, of which I had already purchased one (which yesterday to view cost me €5.00).  To view the other 4 hits, the cost was discounted to only €12.00, which means it only cost €3.00 per record instead of €5.00.  Pity I didn’t realise this yesterday when I was searching.

One thing though is that I found another child born to John & Catherine Quirk.  I was only aware that they had 4 children, all of whom immigrated to New South Wales during the 1850’s, along with their mother Catherine. The baptism record for ‘Ally Quirke’ shows her baptism to be on the 20th July 1835 at St John’s Well Kilkenny.  I did a quick look and found neither a death nor a marriage for Ally within Kilkenny.  I’ve also just checked the NSW State Records website to see if maybe she had come to NSW but not listed there either.  So I wonder what happened to her. Did she die in childhood?  Did she marry in Ireland and then immigrant? Maybe she went to America with some of her Aunts or Uncles?  From the transcript of the ‘life and times of Thomas Quirke’, he wrote that  “My paternal Uncles and Aunts were all well educated. Some died young, and others emigrated to America”.

The baptism records that I got today are great in that they show some possible clues to some family.

  • On the Baptism record for Margaret Quirk (1838), sponsor 1 is Michael Quirk
  • On the Baptism record for Mary Quirk (1832), sponsor 1 is William Quirk
  • Also, of interest is that On the Baptism record for Catherine Quirk (1841), sponsor 1 is James Millet (the quirk family acted as agents for the landlord named Millet at Mount Nugent Estate)

I only know the names of four of the male children of James & Alice Quirke, 3 of which immigrated to NSW (Peter, Nicholas & Thomas) and John my GGG Grandfather, who died sometime prior 1850 in Kilkenny.  I’ll be looking forward to when I can also do a parent search in Tipperary, as James & Alice were married in Tipperary around 1798 (haven’t found the marriage yet). When I did a search within Kilkenny, I only got a hit for 3 baptisms, which I’m yet to purchase.

I read with interest the post written by Chris at Scottish GENES (GEnealogy News and EventS) today of the changes at Irish Family History Foundation, especially the pilot search function.

I have also thought in the past that it was at times impossible to find the correct entry and not sure whether paying 5euros for a record was worth it. It has been a hit or miss affair.

Today I logged into the new database and did a search for the baptism of my GG grandmother, Mary Quirk (parents John & Catherine) who was born around 1832. I know that they were from Kilkenny so I was able to narrow down the search. Previously without having to input the name of the father, I got 6 possible matches between 1830 & 1835.  Today I was able to add Mary’s father’s name and it gave me two options, one of which I had already viewed a couple of months ago (which was wrong).  So I decided to take the plunge and hey, I have Mary’s baptism record.  I already knew her mother’s maiden name was Slattery, as Catherine came out to Australian in 1857.

Name: Mary Quirk Date of Baptism/Birth: 12-Aug-1832
Address: Johns Well Parish/District: ST. JOHN’S
Gender: Female County Co. Kilkenny
    Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: John Quirk Mother: Catherine Slattery
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:
William Quirk Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:
Mary Quirk

It’s interesting to see that both informants’ names were ‘Quirk’s’. I’m guessing that William was one of John’s brothers, as his parents had a total of 12 children (10 males and 2 females, of which I only know the names of 4 of the males) whereas the second informant, Mary, could have been the wife of one of John’s brothers, or possibly the sister of John.

My next look will be to see if I can find the death record for John Quirk, as all I know is that he died sometime prior to 1850 (or thereabouts) – John died as a result of an accident after being crushed between a vehicle and a gate. Unfortunately a quick look at the index only brings up one death for a John Quirk but this was in Meath in 1846. I cannot be certain of exactly when John died or if in fact he died in Kilkenny.

If the cost to view the records on the IHF were even ½ the price they are, I’d probably spend a little bit more looking for my Quirk ancestors, but at the moment, it’s still debateable whether I’d pick the right one when I complete search.

As in my previous post Birth Death & Marriage certificates contain a wealth of information. Some good, some correct and some information that just causes confusion.

Below is a summary of information that I have taken from the BDM certificates for the family of John Shoulders & Mary Ryan (now known to be Hanratty).

Mary Ryan married John Shoulders in 1851 in Armidale. They had four children. John died in 1858 at Hernani, near Armidale.

Children of John & Mary were:

Emily (1851-1949) – married William Harris

Mary (1852-1880) – married Charles Jackson

James (1853-1871) not married

Ellen (1856-1922) married George Mathews (1) and Horatio Baker (2)

Information from the certificates is as follows:

  • According to her marriage certificate in 1851 Mary’s maiden name was Ryan and she was given consent to marry by her guardian R G Massie.
  • John’s death certificate in 1858 shows that he had been in the colony for 26 years (making his arrival around 1832. More details on John can be found here). He was listed as being 42 years old, making his birth year to be around 1816.
  • Being given consent to marry would indicate Mary was under the age of 21 years.  Having a guardian would also indicate that her parents were not around or they were deceased.
  • Mary’s name is listed as ‘Marianne Ryan’ on John Shoulder’s death Certificate.
  • The death certificate of Mary and John’s son – James Shoulders in 1871 (aged 22) shows Mary’s name as “Mary Ann Ryan”.
  • Mary married again in October 1858 to Edward Beasley (variant spellings are: Beasley, Beazley, Beezley, Beesley).  The Marriage Certificate for Mary and Edward does not have much information. It shows that Mary was a widow and living at Wellington Vale. (note to self: For the first time I have noticed that one of the witnesses on this certificate is an A Clarke! – I wonder if this is Mary’s father refer point 2 below). But if it was her father, why his name would not be listed under ‘father’ is not known.

Details from the BDM Certificates of John & Mary’s children are:

  • On the birth certificate of Mary & John’s daughter Ellen Shoulders (born 1856), it shows Mary’s age as being 23. The informant was ‘Marianne Shoulders’ mother and that she was born at Clarence Town, Williams River.
  • Marriage certificate of Emily Shoulders to William Harris in 1868 does not indicate her parent’s names.
  • Death certificate of Emily Harris (nee Shoulders) in 1949 has her parents has John Shoulders & Mary Beasley.
  • On the marriage certificate of Charles Jackson and Mary Shoulders in 1868, it shows that Mary’s maiden name was ‘Beezley’ and that her father was Edward Beezley.  This is incorrect as Mary’s surname was Shoulders.  Edward was her ‘stepfather’. Considering that her father had died at a young age, I’d say that ‘Edward’ would have been considered as her father.  The name of her mother is not listed. Edward also gave Mary consent to marry.
  • On the death certificate of Mary Jackson nee Shoulders in 1880, it shows that her parents were John Shoulders and Mary Nauratty.  When I saw this, I thought it might have been a typo or incorrect information but it turns out that it’s closer to the truth than anything else.
  • On the marriage certificate of George Mathews and Ellen Shoulders, it does not show neither parents’ names but Ellen was given consent to marry by Mary Ann Beezley, the mother of the bride.
  • On the marriage certificate of Ellen Mathews (nee Shoulders) to Horatio Baker in 1921, shows her mother as being Mary Ann Brown and her father as John Shoulders.
  • The death certificate of Ellen Baker (died 1922) shows her mother’s name as Mary Ann Brown.  Where this surname of Brown comes from is beyond me and I tend to ignore as it’s quite obvious that it’s not correct.
  • After many years of research found the death certificate of Mary Beasley (formerly Shoulders – nee Ryan).  It was in 1909 and was listed as ‘Brezley’ It showed that her Father was ‘Arthur Hanratty‘ Pig Merchant.  Mary was 73, making her birth year to be 1836 and her place of birth was Clarence Town and that she was ’15’ when she married John Shoulders in 1851.  It also shows that she was ’20’ when she married Edward Beasley in 1858, which would make her birth year to be 1838.

What other research I did to confirm the correct details about Mary.

  1. As Mary’s name was listed as Ryan on her marriage, my initial search consisted of checking every birth record in the NSW BDM index’s for a birth of a Mary Ryan around the mid 1830’s and then double checking death records for deaths of the ‘parents’.  This was a rather fruitless search seeing that I had no idea of the names of her parents.
  2. I have done a great deal of research in looking for ‘Arthur Hanratty’ (as you can see here)
  3. I have checked the indexes again to find the birth of Mary Hanratty (or variant spelling) with her father being Arthur, but no record of her birth has been found.

So what can I take from this.  Not everything is as it seems.  Don’t take it for granted that what is on a certificate is correct.  Verify all details, it might be correct, it might not be. You never know, doing a little bit more digging, might eventuate in finding the truth, though rather disjointed at times.  It will fit together eventually.

NSW Birth, Death & Marriage certificates contain a wealth of information that can help you in your research.

Today I am going to look at some NSW death certificates that I have obtained that has helped in my research.  Death certificates are great as they can have a lot of information but in some cases, they don’t have the correct information (as you figure out once you start to check the information) or they don’t have any information.  Note though that the informant of the death certificate is not always the one with the correct information on the deceased.  Some death certificates can have a world of information (though maybe not correct) and some can have very little information with no chance to work out anything else.

Case 1: Death Certificate for Joseph Dilworth (died: 1877 – Ref:9391)

Joseph Dilworth died in August 1877 and according to his death certificate his place of death was ‘Cooks Creek, Rampsbeck, New England’.  He was a farmer, aged 67. His father is listed as John Dilworth. His son Joseph was the informant.  He is listed as being born at ‘Belfast’ Ireland and had been in the colony for 35 years.  His place of marriage was ‘Newtown’ to Mary Quirk.  Children of marriage are listed as John 30 and Joseph 21.

From that, I was able to work out the following:

  1. That Joseph had arrived around 1842 and after checking the bounty shipping records, I found that he arrived on the ship Wilson, with his wife ‘Eliza’ and son ‘Josias’ in January 1842. He is listed as being a native of Killyman, Tyrone and aged 24, making his birth year to be around 1818.  His parents are listed as John and Ruth. If you take his ‘age’ at death, his birth year would be 1810. Family Search shows a christening date for Joseph, with parents of John & Ruth in 1815 at Killyman Tyrone.
  2. His place of Marriage to Mary Quirk, is correct. Checking the NSW BDM indexes, shows they were married in 1857.
  3. Checking the 1870-1871 Electoral Rolls (available on Internet History Resources), shows Joseph living at Ramsbeck, New England.

What is missing from the death certificate?

  1. Details of his first marriage to Eliza.  Elizabeth died in December 1856.  It’s possible Joseph was not aware of her, though I’m not sure why when he had 5 half brothers & sisters.
  2. Details of all of Joseph’s children from both marriages are not listed.  Joseph & Eliza had 5 children and Joseph & Mary had 6 children.
  3. By the time Joseph had died, Mary, his second wife was living in a defacto relationship with Michael Melverton and had 3 children to him during the early 1870’s.

Case 2: Death Certificate for Mary Melvyton, formerly Dilworth (maiden name Quirk)

The death certificate for Mary Melverton or Melvyton was registered in the NSW BDM indexes under both Melvyton and Dilworth.

Mary died in Boggabri in November 1911. Her cause of death is listed as ‘rodent cancer of the face’. She was 78 years of age. Father’s name is listed as ‘John Quirk’.  Mother listed as ‘unknown’.  The informant was J J Dilworth, her son (John James Dilworth).  She was born in County Kilkenny, Ireland and had been in the colony of NSW for 59 years. The details of both marriages are listed, firstly to Joseph Dilworth, when she was 19 years and secondly to Michael Joseph Melvyton when she was 38 years.  Five of her children to Joseph are listed, along with their ages, with one being deceased.  Only 2 of her children to Michael are listed.

From that, I was able to work out the following:

  1. Doing a search of the NSW shipping indexes, I found a few Mary Quirk that were about the same age, but the only one that fitted was the Mary Quirke who had arrived on board the ship “Athenian” in 1853. (Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2464, [4/4928].  Her parents were listed as John & Catherine and she her native place was Kilkenny. She had an uncle Peter already living in the colony. A further check of the indexes and microfilm, I find not only find her Uncle Peter had arrived in 1852 (Ship Neptune) with his family but Peter’s two eldest children James and Margaret had arrived in 1849 on board the ship ‘Victoria’.  Further checks on the indexes also find’s Mary’s brother, Patrick arrived in 1854 on ‘David McIver’ and her mother Catherine and her two sisters also came out in 1857 (Matoka).
  2. Mary had 3 children to Michael Melverton whilst still being married to Joseph.  She did not marry Michael until 1887.

What is missing from the death certificate?

  1. Mary’s mother is listed as not known and her father’s name is listed as John.  Mary’s mother Catherine came out to NSW in 1857 and died in 1891. Mary’s father, John though died late 1840’s in Kilkenny Ireland.  From this, I would take it that maybe Mary’s children did not know their grandmother but Mary had talked about her father?