Posts Tagged ‘William George Baker’

This is a continuation of from my two other posts on my endeavour to find the birth/baptism record of William George Baker. My previous posts are birth of William Baker and Baker, Baldwin, Rice.

SamuelBake, as mentioned in my previous post, was married to Sarah King on the 18th May 1831. As I explained in both of the above posts, I concluded that William Baker was the son of Samuel & Sarah Baker, because all records here say that William’s parents were ‘Samuel & Sarah’ but also because the parents of William’s brother in law – James Rice, (Samuel Rice & Mary King) had been married at the same place and date as Samuel and Sarah King.

Unfortunately I am no closer to finding William’s birth, but since writing my last post on this, I have been in contact with a connection in England that is a descendant of Henry Baker (born 1824, Boxford, Suffolk).  Henry was the younger of Samuel Baker. Samuel and another brother John (born 1813), had been sentenced to transportation for ‘life’ in 1835 for sheep stealing. They were tried at the Suffolk Quarter Sessions in January 1835 and arrived on the ship ‘England’ in September 1835.

Samuel’s convict indent:

  • Samuel Baker
  • Age 25
  • RW
  • Religion: Roman Catholic
  • Status: Married
  • Children: 1 Male, 1 Female
  • Former Conviction: 2 years
  • Height: 5 Foot 4
  • Blue Eyes
  • Brown Hair
  • Ruddy Skin
  • Sentence: Life

Other: Mouth Small, Scar upper, Tattoos: Sun, Flower Pot, two diamonds, anchor, SBSS 1833 on lower left arm. Ring fourth finger of left hand

It is confirmed that Samuel & Sarah had, a daughter named Sarah, who was baptised in December 1834, but there is no record of any other children being born to the couple. I also note that Samuel’s previous conviction was for 2 years, which from what I’ve been advised Samuel was tried and convicted in the summer of 1832 for larceny. This leads us to think the male child listed above in the indent would have been born either before marriage or sometime in 1831.

If the male child as indicated on Samuel’s convict indent, is not William, then who was he and when was he born?  Also does this mean that Samuel & Sarah had a third child, being William born after Samuel left England?

If the male child was William George Baker, then this means he was born before Sarah, in at least 1832, but this does not coincide with the ages that William gives on the various documents found here in NSW.

Also, why aren’t Sarah and her children in the UK census? I have checked the 1841 & 1851 census for Suffolk but can find no record of them.  Did Sarah remarry, considering that there was no possible way for Samuel to return?  We know that from the shipping record for when William arrived in NSW in 1865, his mother Sarah is living in Woolwich Kent so that means that Sarah did not join her husband.

More questions than answers right now, but I do still think that Samuel & Sarah are William’s parents considering the connection between the Baker, Rice & King families but trying to find his baptism record and where he is in the 1841, 1851 & 1861 census, is frustrating, to say the least.

I will be undertaking further research on Samuel Baker, the convict to see where he went to once he arrived here. Did he remarry, did he have other children and when did he die, will a fluke occur and will his death certificate indicate the names of all of his children? Or will this remain one of those puzzles that we can only guess at, making assumptions based on what information we can find on the available records?

In Search of the Birth of William George Baker

This is the first post of a series that I intend to write to show my research into finding the UK birth record of my GG Grandfather William George Baker.

William George Baker married Sarah Baldwin in Woolwich Kent in 1863. They came to New South Wales with their young son, William George, on the ship ‘Trebolgan’ in 1865.

On a number of records found here, William’s birth appears to be between 1836 and 1840 and his parents were Samuel & Sarah Baker.

On the shipping records, his age is listed as 27 years old. This makes his birth year to be around 1838. His native place reads Sudbury Suffolk. His parents are listed as Samuel & Sarah, with his mother living at Woolwich England. He is also shown to have ‘an Uncle George King’ living in the colony. I’m have not yet found any record of George King nor have I found a shipping record that matches to a George King coming from Suffolk. I did find a marriage between a Samuel Baker and a Sarah King in 1831 at Boxford, Suffolk. (M13246-1).

On the birth certificate of his son Albert Samuel, in 1870, William was 31, making his birth year to be 1839.

On the birth certificate of his daughter Emma, who was born in 1874, William was listed as 37, making his birth year to be 1837 and born at Bures, Suffolk, England.

On the birth certificate of his son Ernest, born in 1876 he is again shown as being 37, making his birth year to be 1839 and he was born at Bures, Sudbury, Suffolk, England.

On William’s death certificate, his age is listed as 45 born in Sudbury Suffolk. This makes his birth year to be around 1836. His parents are listed as Samuel Baker & Sarah Sampson. (The Sampson, I believe is incorrect or maybe Sarah remarried).

Anything is possible considering the different ages he is across the various documents. He could have been born as early as 1835 but I’m sure he was born in Bures (or surrounding districts) Suffolk.

I have over the years checked parish, civil & census records on FindMyPast, Free BDM, Ancestry UK and as yet not found a definite match.

With the changes on FindMyPast and the ability to now be able to in more detail on the Birth Indexes, I performed a search on William Baker born between 1837 and 1841 and this produced 13 results, 2 of which I can discount due to the child’s middle names, so that leaves the following. The advanced search would be better if you were able to include the names of both sets of parents.

BAKER William Wangford Suffolk 1837
BAKER William Blything Suffolk 1838
BAKER William Hoxne Suffolk 1838
BAKER William Bosmere Suffolk 1838
BAKER William Plomesgate Suffolk 1839
BAKER William Cosford Suffolk 1839
BAKER William Woodbridge Suffolk 1840
BAKER William Woodbridge Suffolk 1840
BAKER William Hartismere Suffolk 1840
BAKER William Hartismere Suffolk 1841
BAKER William Wangford Suffolk 1841

A search using just ‘George Baker’ brings up 9 records, of which one ‘Henry George Baker’ born at Sudbury, Suffolk in 1841 could be a possible relative.

Checking the 1841,1851,1861 UK census finds no record of the family in Suffolk.