With this new found information I contacted my ‘cousin’ and let him know what I found. The finding of the marriage proved our connection. I am descended through Samuel and Mary’s first son, John Baldwin (b1804) and my cousin is descended through another son, Thomas Baldwin, born 1815. He was able to obtain the original copy of the marriage and one of the witness was a Samuel Warren, which I would think is probably Mary’s father.

I am yet to find any other children born to Samuel & Mary between 1804 and 1812 but they did have another 3 children.  The children we know are below and were all born and baptised in St Marys’ Bures, Suffolk,

• John (1804-1871)
• Samuel (1813-1816
• Thomas (1815-1851)
• Robert (1817-1892)
• George (1826-1905)

From looking at the Cosford Database, Ancestry and Family Search, everything points to Mary Warren’s parents being Samuel Warren and Ann How. They were married on the 30^th November 1779 at Polstead. Though in saying this, it’s possible “How” may not be her maiden name, as the marriage is listed twice, with Ann’s surname also being Townes.

Samuel Warren and Ann How

• Ann Warren 1780:
• Mary Warren 1783 -1842: married Samuel  Baldwin in 1804
• Samuel Warren 1785 – 1845: married Ann Hyham in 1819
• Susan Warren 1789: married William Elmer in 1819
• Hannah Warren 1791:
• Elizabeth Warren 1793 – 1872: married John Green in 1818
• James Warren 1794:
• John Warren 1797:
• Edward Warren 1798 – 1884: married Maria Lambert in 1820 and married Charlotte Rice in 1846.

One tree on Ancestry has posted a photo of a house with the description ‘ Samuel Warren and Ann How’s house’. There is no other description or comments for the photo. Others have copied the photo over to their tree but I am reluctant to do this without further proof confirming that this was the house they had lived in. I’ve sent a message to the person who originally posted the photo and have asked them to let me know where the house is and the name of it. I’m thinking that it’s more than likely that it is in Polstead, considering that’s where they spent their live. But as yet, I haven’t heard from them.

Samuel’s age was listed as being 85 in the UK Census 1841 which would make his birth year to be 1756. But on his death, his age is listed as being 87, which would mean he was born in 1758.

On Family Search there are 3 possibilities for who his parents were:

• Samuel Warren – born 20 Nov 1756 Suffolk,​England to William and Mary Warren
• Samuel Warren – christened 15 Feb 1758 Suffolk, to Nathanael Warren, and Sarah Warren
• Samuel Warren – christened 23 Apr 1758 Layham,​Suffolk,​to Samuel and Elizabeth Warren.

I note that there are some trees on Ancestry that have William & Mary as Samuel’s parents but I’d rather wait to see if I can find further prove before saying for sure that they were his parents.

There appears to have been some tragedy that occurred during March of 1842 in Polstead, because at least 3 members of Warren family died in early March.

Samuel Warren born 1758 – died March 1845. Buried 8 March 1845 at St Mary’s Polstead

Samuel Warren born 1785 – died March 1845. Buried 11 March 1845 at St Mary’s Polstead

Ann Warren (born 1820) married William Munson in 1841 – died March 1845. Buried 7 March 1845 at St Mary’s Polstead, note I’m not sure of who Ann’s parents were. The Cosford database has two Ann Warren’s born in 1820/1821. Maybe they are the one and the same? I would have to obtain the marriage certificate for Ann & William to see the name of Ann’s father.

This post will concentrate on the Scutcher family. The surname of Scutcher has many spellings, consisting of:

• Scutcher,
• Scotcher
• Chutche
• Chutchee
• Scutche
• Scutchey
• Cutcher
• Sutcher
• Scutchy

Matilda Emma Scutcher was born in 1842 Tendring, Great Bentley, Essex.  Her parents were:  Francis Scutcher and Mary Pretty.

Francis and Mary were married at Great Bentley Essex on the 21 July 1818. Francis’s surname on the English Marriages 1538-1973 located on Family Search shows it as being Scutche.

Francis and Mary had 11 children:I note here that all of the christening information on Family Search are shown as Scutche and Scutchey

• MaryAnn             Born 1818
• Sarah                  Born 1821
• John Francis        Born 1824
• Eliza                   Born 1826
• Elizabeth             Born 1829 – Died 1836
• William                Born 1832 – Died 1854
• Susanna              Born 1834
• Hannah                Born 1839
• Matilda Emma      Born 1842 – Died 1925
• Francis                Born 1844

Trying to find the family on the UK census has been difficult as the as the surnames have been transcribed incorrectly. For instance the 1841 census shows the family as:

• Francis Scuther    48
• Mary Souther      40
• William Souther   9
• Susanna Souther  5
• James Souther      4
• Hannah Souther  2

From looking at the image, it clearly shows the name as Scutcher. On the 1851 Census they are indexed as Scotcher and again the image clearly (me anyway) showing Scutcher.

• Francis Scotcher   60
• Mary Scotcher      50
• James Scotcher     14
• Hannah Scotcher  12
• Matilda Scotcher    9
• Francis Scotcher     7
• James Scutcher     96

Moving on, Francis’s parents were James and Susan Scutcher.  I have not as yet been able to find their marriage or what Susan’s maiden name was, but she was born about 1759 and died in 1820 and is buried at the St Mary the Virgin Church at Great Bentley Essex (source: National Burial Index Third Edition

James born about 1755 and a number of trees on ancestry have his father’s name as being Ambrose but as yet I haven’t found any evidence of this though in saying this, James & Susan did have a son named Ambrose born in 1789.

James and Susan had 7 children:

• Susan             Born 1783
• James             Born 1785
• Ambrose         Born 1789
• Francis           Born 1790 – 1869
• Elizabeth         Born 1793
• Anne               Born 1795
• Mary               Born 1797

James Scutcher died in 1851 and is buried at the St Mary the Virgin Church at Great Bentley Essex (source: National Burial Index Third Edition).

I haven’t written a blog since my last entry back in May when I announced that I was going to Gallipoli for Anzac day, well now it’s down to 3 months and 9 days until I fly out.  I’m basically thinking about nothing else.

I didn’t do much research during 2011, just little bits and pieces here and there. I sometimes just wasn’t that interested and haven’t had a lot of time. As I work full time and I only have Sunday’s to research, all I’ve wanted to do is just relax.

I have RSS Google reader so I have been reading lots of blogs. I find I only read the ones that really capture me at the start. In particular News Items and anything that people write about in terms of the research they are doing, what they found and how they went about it. I tend to be reading more Irish & UK blogs more than anything.

This is just a small sample of the blogs that I have read.

• Irish Genealogy News
• World War 11 London Blitz Diaries 1939-1945
• British and Irish Genealogy
• The Tree of Me
• The Wandering Genealogists
• Family History Across the Seas
• Ancestor Search

Research Update

I did do some work between the Christmas and New Year break, where I found myself basically spending a great deal of time on AncestryUK.  I started searching for some information on my paternal RICHER line. As my father never knew his father, (Frederick George Richer)  I wanted to see if I could find some additional information on the service records for his brothers. I already knew that both Fred and his brother Alfred arrived in Australia around 1913. Alfred’s wife and two children arrived in Brisbane in 1915.  By the time war broke out Fred was in Melbourne and he enlisted in the AIF Field Artillery Brigade 2, Battery 4 in August 1914 whereas Alfred was still in Brisbane and went back to England as an Imperial Reservists. (Middlesex Regiment – Number: 457027) and they both returned to Australia in 1919.

From this I then turned my attention to their older brother James.  By fluke I found a photo of James on one of the Ancestry trees. James married Annie Loader in 1915 and immigrated to Canada in 1919. Now I have something that I can show my dad what his father ‘might have looked like’.

I also spent a lot of time doing other searches for both my Richerl Scutcher and Baldwin families, updating events, timelines, adding census records to my Ancestry trees.  I also found my GGG Grandparents marriage on Family Search, which I had not been able to find previously.

I knew their names from the baptism record of my ancestor John Baldwin, which shows:

“John Baldwin son of Samuel and Mary his wife, late Warren, baptised 21st April 1804”

By putting in Samuel Baldwin as the person I was looking for, including the place as Suffolk and a date range, I received no results. It was only when I put Mary Warren in the marriage came up as follows:

Groom’s Name: Samuel Boldwin
Bride’s Name: Mary Warren
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1804
Marriage Place: Polstead,Suffolk,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06302-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 919627

I would have thought that even putting the surname in as Baldwin, the search function would still have been able to pick up the different spellings.  I know for other surnames, it picks it up, but not for this particular instance.

Books that I plan to read in the next couple of months.  I’m interested in reading anything about WW1, particularly, either Gallipoli or the Western Front

I’m currently reading “Over the Top”.

• Over the Top: A Digger’s Story of the Western Front by H. G. Hartnett – the link here is to one of the best reviews I’ve read on this book
• Pozieres: The Anzac story by Scott Bennett
• Both Sides of the Wire by William Cull
• The Somme: The Darkest Hour on the Western Front by Peter Hart

Bye for now…

Sandra

I have always had an interest in Gallipoli and the Anzac spirit but since finding out who my paternal grandfather was back in 2002 (my father’ never knew him, as he died when my father was 9 months old and my grandmother was reluctant to talk about him) and finding his WW1 sevice record showed that he had served in Gallipolli, and again in France before being sent back to England for the remainder of the war.

Frederick was born in Essex in 1884 and was living with his mother and brother in 1911. When war broke out Frederick was living in Melbourne and enlisted in the AIF on the 18th August 1914 and joined the 2nd Field Artillery Brigade 4th Battery and left on the HMAT Shropshire on the 20th October 1914, he returned to Australia on the Orantes on the 21st February 1920.

Bye for now..

Last week I visited the NSW State Records at Kingswood and one thing I wanted to check was the Ticket of Leave & Certificate of Freedom for John Showler & Thomas Showler, who were convicts that arrived in 1828 and 1831 respectively.  On the convict indent, Thomas indicates that he had a cousin John already in the colony.  From my previous post back at the end of November last year, I wrote that I thought that maybe John Showler was possibly my ancestor John Shoulders.  Even though I haven’t been able to find any positive proof as yet, I do think that John Showler is John Shoulders, despite the apparent age difference, they were both from Aylesbury Buckinghamshire and secondly John Showler has also been found in some records as John Shoulder. Thomas Showler is also listed on his ticket of leave as being Thomas Shoulders.

Summary of information about John Showler/Shoulders

•  John Shoulders who married Mary Ryan in 1851, was 40 in 1856 and born at Aylesbury Buckinghamshire. This makes his birth year to be 1816
•  John Showler age at trial in January 1828, is listed as 21. But on his arrival he is listed as being only 20, making his birth year to be 1807 or 1808
• John Shoulder listed on the NSW Gaol description Entrance Books (1818-1930) – Admitted to Stone Quarry 8^th January 1835 and disposed 4^th May 1835
• John Showler -  Countess of Harcourt 1828 40/0846 15 May 1840 Certificate of Freedom [4/4358; Reel 1006] TL 33/758 
• John Showler -   Countess of Harcourt 1828 33/758   Ticket of Leave [4/4090; Reel 920] District: Inverary; Tried: Bucks QS
• John Shoulders – died in May 1858 at Hernani, near Armidale NSW.

The Certificate of Freedom for John Showler is as follows:

Ref:                                       40/486

Date:                                    15/05/1840

Master:                                 Harrison

Ship:                                     Countess of Harcourt

Year:                                     1828

Date of  Trial:                       15/06/1828

Sentence:                             7 years

Height:                                  5 foot 4 & ¾ inches

Complexion:                         Ruddy & Freckled

Hair:                                       Sandy

Eyes:                                     Hazel

General:                                Small Scar left eye, two scars left, IS SH bleeding heart, 1828, wreath hope & anchor on left arm. Man, Woman, Mermaid, SH on right arm.

I wonder what the IS, SH mean? Were they initials of his parents perhaps or someone else? Thomas also had letters on both his arms, having WICSRTS & EIHPY on his right arm.  On his left arm he had a name L Hawkins.  Could they be clues to other family members?

Summary of information about Thomas Showler

• There appears to be no marriage for Thomas Showler (or variant spellings) in the NSW indexes.
• There are two recorded deaths for ‘Thomas Showler’s, one in 1860 at Cooma and the other in 1897 at Liverpool. From the NSW State Records index, we can see that the Thomas Showler who died in 1897, died at the Liverpool Asylum. 
•  Thomas Showler –    Georgiana 1831 38/1157   Ticket of Leave [4/4121; Reel 930] District: Goulburn; Born: Bucks; Trade: Ploughs; Tried: Bucks QS
• Thomas Showler is listed on his Ticket of Leave Passport in 1843 as ‘Thomas Shoulders’. (SHOULDERS Thomas - Georgiana 1831 43/314 21 Mar 1843 Ticket of Leave Passport [4/4249; Reel 971]
•  Thomas Showler -   Georgiana 1831 49/0225 11 May 1849 Certificate of Freedom [4/4412; Reel 1026] TL 39/1157

The Certificate of Freedom for Thomas Showler is as follows:

Ref:                                       49/225

Date:                                    11/05/1849

Master:                                 Thompson

Ship:                                     Georgina

Year:                                      1831

Date of  Trial:                       4/01/1831

Sentence:                             14 Years

Height:                                  5 foot 9 inches

Complexion:                        Pale & Freckled

Hair:                                      Brown

Eyes:                                    Grey

General:                               Slight diagonal scar and mole on left eyebrow. WICSRTS, 1828, EIHPY on Right arm.  L Hawkins, Sun, JHEVL on left arm.

Baptisms Records – Buckinghamshire

Looking at the baptism records for Buckinghamshire, I found the following  ‘POSSIBLE’ baptisms for John Shouler/Shoulders.

•  23 Dec 1804 John born 26 Nov 1804 son of James & Esther SHOWLER – Aylesbury Buckinghamshire
• 27 May 1810 John son of Samuel & Ann SHOULER – Padbury Buckinghamshire
• 1 Jan 1815 John Samuel born 31 Dec 1814 son of John & Mary SHOULER – Whaddon Buckinghamshire

I suspect that the first one in 1804 might be the most likely one considering that this is the only baptism for a John being born in Aylesbury between 1804 & 1816. I cannot be sure if this is the correct one, unless I find some other information on who John’s parents were.

Looking at baptism records, for Thomas Showler, I note the following possibilities.

• 1 Oct 1797 Thomas born 18 Jun 1797 son of Thomas & Maria SHOWLER – Ayelsbury Buckinghamshire
• 23 Feb 1798 Thomas born 8 Feb 1798 son of William & Elizabeth SHOWLER – Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire

I have been having a look at the Assessment Books & Sand’s Directories for Newtown for my ancestors Joseph Dilworth, Mary Quirk (later Dilworth) and Mary’s mother’ Catherine Quirk (nee Slattery).  The assessment books are located here: http://www.sydneyarchives.info/rate-books and the Sand’s Directories are located here: http://www.sydneyarchives.info/sands-directories

I was checking to see where Joseph was living in the early 1860’s as in 1857 he sold a property in Australia Street Newtown, as detailed in a previous post.

Joseph does not appear in any of the Sand’s directories for Newtown, but from the assessment books for 1863 Joseph is listed in Horden Street Newtown (O’Connell Ward) and alongside him, Mrs C Quirk (which I believe to be Catherine Quirk – mother of Mary Dilworth, nee Quirk).

Below is a list of the Sand’s Directories and where they were living.  Joseph & Mary had moved out of the area by 1866 (a daughter was born at Cox’s Creek) and Joseph died in 1877. Mary appears to have come back by 1883. She had started a relationship with Michael Milverton by the beginning of 1871, as they had 3 children in the early 1870’s.  Mary & Michael did not marry until 1887.

From looking at the list below, it’s a bit hard to work out why Catherine Quirk was not listed in all of the directories as she appears in 1873 and then does not appear again until 1880, though still living at the same address. Catherine arrived in NSW in 1857 from Kilkenny Ireland, along with daughters Catherine & Margaret. Catherine died in 1891  and is buried at Rookwood Cemetery.

My Maternal Grandmothers Ancestors

• My Grandmother
  • Catherine Gladys Dilworth –(1900-1980)
• My Great Grandparents:
  • Charles Patrick Dilworth (1861-1946) & Margaret McCormick (c1862-1932)
• My Great Great Grandparents
  • Joseph Dilworth (c1807-1887) & Mary Quirk – (1832-1911)
  • Dennis McCormick (c1815-1890 ) & Mary Fitzgerald (c1832-1905)
• My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
  • John Dilworth & Ruth King (Tyrone Ireland)
  • John Fitzgerald & Johanna (or Hanorah) O’Shaunnessey (Limerick, Ireland)
  • Patrick & Catherine McCormick (or McCormack)
  • John Quirk (1802-c1858, Kilkenny Ireland) and Catherine Slattery(c1811 -1891)
•  My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
  • James Quirke & Alice Reid (Tipperrary & St Johns Well Kilkenny, Ireland)

My Maternal Grandfather’s Ancestors

• My Grandfather
  • Herbert William Baker (1903-1958)
• My Great Grandparents
  • Alfred Baker (1866-1909) and Ellen Mathews (1881-1966)
• My Great Great Grandparents
  • William George Baker (c1836-1881) and  Susan Baldwin (c1842-1921)
  • George Mathews (c1842 – no known death has been recorded) & Ellen Shoulders (1856-1921)
•  My Great Great Great Grandparents
  • Samuel Baker & Sarah King (Boxford, Suffolk)
  • John Baldwin (1806 – Bures St Mary Suffolk –died 1871 -) & Sarah Reason (died: 1856)
  • John Shoulders (c1816 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire-died1858) – other spelling of Surname is Shouler or Showler – & Mary ann Hanratty , alias Ryan – (c1835-1909)
• My Great Great Great Great Grandparents
  • Arthur Hanratty alias Robert Johnston, alias Robert Hanratty, (c1807-?) & Ellen Moran both of Monaghan, Ireland

Area’s they were born, lived or died

Since my last post in late January I haven’t done any work on my family history. I have been too busy with my day job and then the weekend comes and all I want to do is ‘nothing’.

I am finally going to have a couple of days off, in two weeks, so my plan is to go out to the NSW State Records office at Kingswood to do some research on one of these days. I’m particularly interested to see if I can track down some information on Samuel Baker (convict – arrived ‘England’ 1835), as well as some other bits for other ancestors, which next week, I’ll start to look at so that I have an actual plan and see if I need be order the documents ready for viewing before I go. The last time I visited the records office was in September & October 2009.

I have though been reading some blogs. I have RSS reader on my iPhone and do check what new posts have been made throughout the day.If I have read an interesting one then I copy it over to Evernote and eventually I’ll be able to go back to it, to have a proper read, especially if the post is something I am interested in, such as UK or Ireland research tips or links.

Yesterday, I registered to do the ‘English Parish Records’ via National Institute of Genealogical Studies commencing on the 4th April and it goes for 8 weeks. I’m also registered to do the Social Media for Genealogists, which also starts on the 4th April, which goes for 5 weeks. The social media one is free, though it does have a compulsory book that you need to order for US$18.95.

I’ll let you know what I think of both courses, especially the English Parish Registers one, as I did start the three (3) week course that was recently run by Pharos Tutors on ‘All About Parish Registers’. I’ll leave my thoughts on that until later when I compare the two courses.

I also have received a reply finally from the Suffolk Records Office on buying the microfiche for Boxford & Bures St Mary for my One Place Studies. I would still like to transcribe the parish registers,but I still need to obtain permission to publish the data to my Boxford Suffolk OPS which I’m yet to do. I also need to track down a cheap microfiche reader, as I’d rather be at home transcribing instead of having to go to the library. It would be easier at home also, as then I can transcribe directly from the fiche to the PC. So for now, I’ll be concentrating on the census records for both parishes and I’ll look at purchasing the registers at a later date. For anyone interested, there is also a One Place Studies Index which came live late last year and is regularly being updated, One Place Studies Index

Thats it for now..

Joseph Dilworth who was born around 1807 Killyman, Tyrone, Ireland. Jospeh arrived in New South Wales, with his first wife Elizabeth and son Josias Wilison on board the ship Wilson on the 7th January 1842. I am descended through Joseph’s second marriage to Mary Quirk, and they married in March 1857, 3 months after Elizabeth died in 1856. I suspect that Joseph married quickly and only wanted a mother to his fiive children from his first marriage. Joseph & Mary went onto have 6 children, before seperating about 1870 when Mary began a relationship and had 3 children with Michael Melvyton. 

The earliest document that I have is the copy of the shipping record from the Index to Bounty Immigrants Arriving in N.S.W., Australia, 1828-1842. I’ve had this for about 20 years when I printed it off, from the microfilm at the local library.  Back when I first began tracing my family history, all of my research was done at my local library, scouring microfiche, micofilms, books and indexes, which took a lot of time do unlike now.  You can now view the indexes to the Bounty Immigrants arriving in NSW as well as the original image on line for free at Family Search.

The information provided was:

Principal’s Name: Joseph Dilworth Estimated birth year: 1818 Age in years: 24 Native place of Principal: Killyman, Tyrone, Father’s name: John Mother’s name: Ruth Spouse’s name: Elizabeth Dilworth Native place of spouse: Tullaniskan, Tyrone, Spouse’s Father’s name: John Ditty Spouse’s Mother’s name: Nancy Ship: Wilson Date of arrival: 07 Jan 1842.

Have a good Australia Day everyone…

•  Sent an email two weeks ago to the Suffolk Records Office, to enquire about purchasing the parish registers for Boxford so that I can start some research on my One Place Study.  Unfortunately, I’m yet to receive a reply from them.
• Started to extract all marriages that occurred in Boxford Suffolk from the  ” Allegations for Marriage Licences, from the Archdeaconry of Sudbury, Suffolk, 1684-1839″ which I obtained from English Parish Registers and all those noted as being from Boxford but married elsewhere in Suffolk for my OPS.
• Spent some time searching the UK census records and marriage records for Sarah Baker (nee King) and her daughter Sarah Baker (baptised in 1834 at Boxford), as well as again trying to find William George Baker in the census but once again to no avail.
• Received an ancestor approved award from Pauleen at Familys Across the Sea’s which was great but I will deal with in another post at some point.
• Found an entry on the NSW Australia Gaol Description & Entrance Books 1818-1930  for a John Shoulder and the information found matches back to the convict listed as ‘ John Showler’, who arrived on the Countess of Harcourt in 1828.  I still need to take a trip to the NSW State Records office at Kingswood to look at some original records but I am now begining to believe this John Showler/John Shoulder was my GGG Grandfather. Click here to view my previous post on John

My Next post will be next Wendesday 26th January, Australia Day