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What’s up Doc?

Posted: January 7, 2012 in Ancestry, Baldwin, FamilySearch, General

Well, firstly not much but did I grab your attention?  If so, keep reading….

I haven’t written a blog since my last entry back in May when I announced that I was going to Gallipoli for Anzac day, well now it’s down to 3 months and 9 days until I fly out.  I’m basically thinking about nothing else.

I didn’t do much research during 2011, just little bits and pieces here and there. I sometimes just wasn’t that interested and haven’t had a lot of time. As I work full time and I only have Sunday’s to research, all I’ve wanted to do is just relax.

I have RSS Google reader so I have been reading lots of blogs. I find I only read the ones that really capture me at the start. In particular News Items and anything that people write about in terms of the research they are doing, what they found and how they went about it. I tend to be reading more Irish & UK blogs more than anything.

This is just a small sample of the blogs that I have read.

Research Update

I did do some work between the Christmas and New Year break, where I found myself basically spending a great deal of time on AncestryUK.  I started searching for some information on my paternal RICHER line. As my father never knew his father, (Frederick George Richer)  I wanted to see if I could find some additional information on the service records for his brothers. I already knew that both Fred and his brother Alfred arrived in Australia around 1913. Alfred’s wife and two children arrived in Brisbane in 1915.  By the time war broke out Fred was in Melbourne and he enlisted in the AIF Field Artillery Brigade 2, Battery 4 in August 1914 whereas Alfred was still in Brisbane and went back to England as an Imperial Reservists. (Middlesex Regiment – Number: 457027) and they both returned to Australia in 1919.

From this I then turned my attention to their older brother James.  By fluke I found a photo of James on one of the Ancestry trees. James married Annie Loader in 1915 and immigrated to Canada in 1919. Now I have something that I can show my dad what his father ‘might have looked like’.

I also spent a lot of time doing other searches for both my Richerl Scutcher and Baldwin families, updating events, timelines, adding census records to my Ancestry trees.  I also found my GGG Grandparents marriage on Family Search, which I had not been able to find previously.

I knew their names from the baptism record of my ancestor John Baldwin, which shows:

“John Baldwin son of Samuel and Mary his wife, late Warren, baptised 21st April 1804”

By putting in Samuel Baldwin as the person I was looking for, including the place as Suffolk and a date range, I received no results. It was only when I put Mary Warren in the marriage came up as follows:

Groom’s Name: Samuel Boldwin
Bride’s Name: Mary Warren
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1804
Marriage Place: Polstead,Suffolk,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06302-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 919627

I would have thought that even putting the surname in as Baldwin, the search function would still have been able to pick up the different spellings.  I know for other surnames, it picks it up, but not for this particular instance.

Books that I plan to read in the next couple of months.  I’m interested in reading anything about WW1, particularly, either Gallipoli or the Western Front

I’m currently reading “Over the Top”.

Bye for now…

Sandra

This is a list of my maternal ancestors.  Also, forgive me as I try out different wordpress themes today.

My Maternal Grandmothers Ancestors

  • My Grandmother
    • Catherine Gladys Dilworth –(1900-1980)
  • My Great Grandparents:
    • Charles Patrick Dilworth (1861-1946) & Margaret McCormick (c1862-1932)
  • My Great Great Grandparents
    • Joseph Dilworth (c1807-1887) & Mary Quirk – (1832-1911)
    • Dennis McCormick (c1815-1890 ) & Mary Fitzgerald (c1832-1905)
  • My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
    • John Dilworth & Ruth King (Tyrone Ireland)
    • John Fitzgerald & Johanna (or Hanorah) O’Shaunnessey (Limerick, Ireland)
    • Patrick & Catherine McCormick (or McCormack)
    • John Quirk (1802-c1858, Kilkenny Ireland) and Catherine Slattery(c1811 -1891)
  •  My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
    • James Quirke & Alice Reid (Tipperrary & St Johns Well Kilkenny, Ireland)

My Maternal Grandfather’s Ancestors

  • My Grandfather
    • Herbert William Baker (1903-1958)
  • My Great Grandparents
    • Alfred Baker (1866-1909) and Ellen Mathews (1881-1966)
  • My Great Great Grandparents
    • William George Baker (c1836-1881) and  Susan Baldwin (c1842-1921)
    • George Mathews (c1842 – no known death has been recorded) & Ellen Shoulders (1856-1921)
  •  My Great Great Great Grandparents
    • Samuel Baker & Sarah King (Boxford, Suffolk)
    • John Baldwin (1806 – Bures St Mary Suffolk –died 1871 -) & Sarah Reason (died: 1856)
    • John Shoulders (c1816 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire-died1858) – other spelling of Surname is Shouler or Showler – & Mary ann Hanratty , alias Ryan – (c1835-1909)
  • My Great Great Great Great Grandparents
    • Arthur Hanratty alias Robert Johnston, alias Robert Hanratty, (c1807-?) & Ellen Moran both of Monaghan, Ireland

 

Area’s they were born, lived or died

Surname Places in the England or Ireland Places in Australia
Baker Bures St Mary, Sudbury, Boxford, Suffolk Boggabri New South Wales,Narrabri, New South Wales
Baldwin Bures St Mary, SuffolkAssington, Suffolk Boggabri, New South Wales
Dilworth Tyrone, Ireland Newtown, New South WalesMaitland, New South WalesBoggabri, New South Wales
Mary QuirkQuirke St Johns Well, Kilkenny, IrelandTipperary, Ireland Newtown, New South Wales, Boggabri, New South Wales
Catherine Slattery Tiperrary, Ireland Newtown, New South Wales
Dennis McCormick/McCormack Greenock, Scotland (though believe Dennis to have been born in Armagh Ireland) he was tried in Greenock, but his convict indent says he was from Armagh Ireland Greta, Branxton,Maitland, New South Wales
Mary Fitzgerald Stonehoyle, Limerick , Ireland As above
Mathews   Prospect, New South Wales,Bundarra, New South WalesLaura Station,Bundarra, New South WalesBoggabri, New South Wales
Shoulders/Showler/Shouler Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire Armidale, New South Wales
Hanratty, Henratty Armagh, IrelandTried in Monaghan, Ireland Various places throughout New South Wales

I’ve wanted to delve more into my UK ancestry for some time and if I wanted to continue I had to at least think about how I was going to do that, So on Thursday, I signed up for the premium monthly subscription through the www.ancestry.co.uk (which is where my original account was set up).  So there, I did it even though I was hesitant about hitting the submit button.

Anyway, I digress from the original topic of this post.  Please be with me, as this is a long post, but I just had to write down my research and notes as I went along over the last couple of days. Hope it’s not too confusing and overall the end should show some true findings on the Baldwin, Baker, King and Rice Families connections in Suffolk, England.  The sites I used were as follows:

Whilst searching for information on my ancestor, William George Baker (c1836-1881) and his wife Susan Baldwin (1842-1920), I saw that a number of trees had Susan’s parents different to what I had.

Most of the trees I found, had Susan’s mother to be Sarah Munnings, one has Sarah (no surname) and another Sarah Chambers and most also have the same ‘6’ children attached to them. There is a marriage in Dec 1825 between a John Baldwin & Sarah Munnings and from what I can see on the census records, John & Sarah Munnings had 6 children, one a Susan Baldwin born in 1845 in Suffolk, which is why there is some confusion. I do believe that this marriage and the associated children are not connected to my John & Sarah Baldwin. (The children were: John 1832, Charles 1836, Ann 1840, David 1843, Susan 1845 and Mary 1850).

I do think the following marriage between John & Sarah is the more likely marriage for my ancestors:

Parish Records Collection: 1538-2005

  • Date: 26.11.1826
  • Parish: Bures St Mary
  • Place: Newtown
  • County: Suffolk
  • Source: Suffolk Marriage Index: 1813-1837 (FindMyPast)

I have not found a record for a marriage between a John Baldwin & Sarah Chambers.

Here is a list of information that I already had:

  • Records in Australia show that Susan’s parents were John & Sarah Baldwin and she was from Bures, Suffolk and born around 1844.
  • On the shipping record for when William George & Susan Baker arrived in NSW in 1865, William is listed as having an ‘Uncle George King’ already living at Bundarra. I’m yet to find any shipping record of a George King arriving here prior to 1865 but there is a George King living at Bundarra in 1872.
  • On the marriage certificate of William & Susan in 1863, one of the witnesses is “MaryAnn Rice”.
  • For William Baker, his parents were Samuel Baker & Sarah King. A marriage was found in 1831 at Boxford, Suffolk.
  • I have a death certificate for a Sarah Baldwin died 4th June 1856 at Bures St Mary, Suffolk. She was 54 years and was the ‘wife of John Baldwin, agricultural labourer’.   Now that I’m looking more into this, I did find another two deaths for “Sarah Baldwin’” in the same area of Suffolk, both in 1859. One in Sudbury (4a/285) and the other, Bury St Edmonds (4a/337). I’m thinking now that maybe the death in 1856 is not the death for my Sarah.  I’m thinking the one in Sudbury is the more likely one. Sarah would have died after 1851 & before the 1861 census, as John is listed as a widower in 1861.
  • I can find no record of John & Sarah in the 1841 UK Census
  • John & Sarah appear in the 1851 UK census, along with two daughters:
    • John Baldwin (46) Born Bures, Suffolk – listed as ‘Pensioner – Chelsea’
    • Sarah Baldwin (47) Born Boxford, Suffolk
    • Maryann (11) Born Bastead, Suffolk
    • Susan (8) Born Stoke, Suffolk
  • John appears in the 1861 UK census along with daughter Susan
    • John Baldwin (55) Born Bures, Suffolk –listed as ‘Chelsea Pensioner’
    • Susan (17), Born Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk
  • In the 1871 UK Census, John Baldwin is shown as being a lodger with James & Mary Ann Rice at Assington, Sudbury, Suffolk and is 65, occupation is ‘Soldier – Pensioner’ and was born in Bures, St Mary.

John Baldwin died 28th June 1871 at Assington, Suffolk. He was 65 and his occupation is listed as ‘Chelsea Pensioner’.  I found John’s military record over at FindMyPast the other night and even though it is a little hard to read he states he was 18 years old and was born at Bures, St Mary and enlisted on the 14th November 1825 and served until 1846, which is probably why John & Sarah are not in the 1841 UK census as he served in the East Indies for almost 12 years, though I’m not sure of the date he left & returned at this stage.

  • James Rice married MaryAnn Baldwin in 1860 (4a/629) at Sudbury, Suffolk.

Further research on Ancestry and FamilySearch shows:

  • James Rice christening information:
    • Name: James Rice Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1838
    • Christening Date: 28 Jan 1838 Christening Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
    • Father’s Name: Samuel Rice Mother’s Name: Mary
  • James married Maryann Baldwin in 1860 at Suffolk
  • A number of public trees have James’ parents as Samuel Rice & Mary King. On one particular tree, Mary King’s parents are listed as:

I find the surname of King of interest here, seeing that William Baker had an Uncle George King already living in the colony, when he arrived in 1865. As yet, I have not found a shipping record that matches to this George King but I do think that this King family is related as Samuel Rice & Mary King were married on the same day in Boxford, Suffolk as Samuel Baker & Sarah King, the parents of William George Baker.

Name: Samuel Baker Gender: MaleSpouse’s name: Sarah KingMarriage Date: 18 May 1831Marriage Place: Boxford, Suffolk, EnglandRecord source: Suffolk Marriage Index (1813-37) Data provider: Suffolk Family History Society Name: Samuel Rice Gender: MaleSpouse’s name: Mary KingMarriage Date: 18 May 1831Marriage Place: Boxford, Suffolk, EnglandRecord source: Suffolk Marriage Index (1813-37) Data provider: Suffolk Family History Society

So from these two marriages I conclude that:

  • Sarah King (1809) & Mary King (1811) were sisters.
  • William George Baker (bc1836) and James Rice (bc1837) were cousins and they married Susan & Maryann Baldwin who were sisters.

So in all, a rather productive few days of research on my UK ancestors.  I’ll write more on the King and Rice connections another day.