Archive for the ‘Baker’ Category

My Great Great Aunt was Sarah Baker. She was born on the 27th July 1868 to William George Baker and Susan Baldwin.

Sarah married twice, firstly to Richard Loughrey on the 29th August 1888 at Boggabri New South Wales. She was given consent to marry by her mother as she was under the age of 21.

From the records, Susan’s life was full of tragedy. Two of her children from her first marriage died young and her husband Richard died on the 22nd July 1893 at Boggabri. The coroner’s report showed that Richard had drowned accidentally. The report from the Australian Town and Country Journal of the 5th August stated that:

“The body of Richard Loughrey, who was drowned on Saturday, July 22, crossing Barber’s Lagoon, near Boggabri, while in a flooded state, was recovered last week by the police after three days’ search”

Richard and Sarah had the following children all born at Boggabri:

  1. Sarah Jane born 1889
  2. Susan born 1890 and died 1890
  3. Emma Elizabeth born 1891 and died 30 January 1934 at the Private Hospital Malvern Victoria
    1. Emma married James Richard Blyth in 1926 at Mosman NSW
  4. Richard Clarence born November 1892 and died 1908 at Boggabri.

Sarah married for the second time to John Watson on the 5th April 1896 at Boggabri.

Sarah and John had children, of who were all born at Boggabri:

  1. Walter Watson born 1896 and died 1946
  2. Jessie Watson born 1898
  3. Jack Watson born 1903
  4. Wallace Watson born 1907

 

Whilst searching through the WW1 military file of her son Walter Watson, Sarah’s address in 1940 was 63 Abbotsford Road, Homebush.

I have not found Sarah’s death nor can I find her located in the NSW Electoral Rolls.

This is a list of my maternal ancestors.  Also, forgive me as I try out different wordpress themes today.

My Maternal Grandmothers Ancestors

  • My Grandmother
    • Catherine Gladys Dilworth –(1900-1980)
  • My Great Grandparents:
    • Charles Patrick Dilworth (1861-1946) & Margaret McCormick (c1862-1932)
  • My Great Great Grandparents
    • Joseph Dilworth (c1807-1887) & Mary Quirk – (1832-1911)
    • Dennis McCormick (c1815-1890 ) & Mary Fitzgerald (c1832-1905)
  • My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
    • John Dilworth & Ruth King (Tyrone Ireland)
    • John Fitzgerald & Johanna (or Hanorah) O’Shaunnessey (Limerick, Ireland)
    • Patrick & Catherine McCormick (or McCormack)
    • John Quirk (1802-c1858, Kilkenny Ireland) and Catherine Slattery(c1811 -1891)
  •  My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
    • James Quirke & Alice Reid (Tipperrary & St Johns Well Kilkenny, Ireland)

My Maternal Grandfather’s Ancestors

  • My Grandfather
    • Herbert William Baker (1903-1958)
  • My Great Grandparents
    • Alfred Baker (1866-1909) and Ellen Mathews (1881-1966)
  • My Great Great Grandparents
    • William George Baker (c1836-1881) and  Susan Baldwin (c1842-1921)
    • George Mathews (c1842 – no known death has been recorded) & Ellen Shoulders (1856-1921)
  •  My Great Great Great Grandparents
    • Samuel Baker & Sarah King (Boxford, Suffolk)
    • John Baldwin (1806 – Bures St Mary Suffolk –died 1871 -) & Sarah Reason (died: 1856)
    • John Shoulders (c1816 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire-died1858) – other spelling of Surname is Shouler or Showler – & Mary ann Hanratty , alias Ryan – (c1835-1909)
  • My Great Great Great Great Grandparents
    • Arthur Hanratty alias Robert Johnston, alias Robert Hanratty, (c1807-?) & Ellen Moran both of Monaghan, Ireland

 

Area’s they were born, lived or died

Surname Places in the England or Ireland Places in Australia
Baker Bures St Mary, Sudbury, Boxford, Suffolk Boggabri New South Wales,Narrabri, New South Wales
Baldwin Bures St Mary, SuffolkAssington, Suffolk Boggabri, New South Wales
Dilworth Tyrone, Ireland Newtown, New South WalesMaitland, New South WalesBoggabri, New South Wales
Mary QuirkQuirke St Johns Well, Kilkenny, IrelandTipperary, Ireland Newtown, New South Wales, Boggabri, New South Wales
Catherine Slattery Tiperrary, Ireland Newtown, New South Wales
Dennis McCormick/McCormack Greenock, Scotland (though believe Dennis to have been born in Armagh Ireland) he was tried in Greenock, but his convict indent says he was from Armagh Ireland Greta, Branxton,Maitland, New South Wales
Mary Fitzgerald Stonehoyle, Limerick , Ireland As above
Mathews   Prospect, New South Wales,Bundarra, New South WalesLaura Station,Bundarra, New South WalesBoggabri, New South Wales
Shoulders/Showler/Shouler Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire Armidale, New South Wales
Hanratty, Henratty Armagh, IrelandTried in Monaghan, Ireland Various places throughout New South Wales

This is a continuation of from my two other posts on my endeavour to find the birth/baptism record of William George Baker. My previous posts are birth of William Baker and Baker, Baldwin, Rice.

SamuelBake, as mentioned in my previous post, was married to Sarah King on the 18th May 1831. As I explained in both of the above posts, I concluded that William Baker was the son of Samuel & Sarah Baker, because all records here say that William’s parents were ‘Samuel & Sarah’ but also because the parents of William’s brother in law – James Rice, (Samuel Rice & Mary King) had been married at the same place and date as Samuel and Sarah King.

Unfortunately I am no closer to finding William’s birth, but since writing my last post on this, I have been in contact with a connection in England that is a descendant of Henry Baker (born 1824, Boxford, Suffolk).  Henry was the younger of Samuel Baker. Samuel and another brother John (born 1813), had been sentenced to transportation for ‘life’ in 1835 for sheep stealing. They were tried at the Suffolk Quarter Sessions in January 1835 and arrived on the ship ‘England’ in September 1835.

Samuel’s convict indent:

  • Samuel Baker
  • Age 25
  • RW
  • Religion: Roman Catholic
  • Status: Married
  • Children: 1 Male, 1 Female
  • Former Conviction: 2 years
  • Height: 5 Foot 4
  • Blue Eyes
  • Brown Hair
  • Ruddy Skin
  • Sentence: Life

Other: Mouth Small, Scar upper, Tattoos: Sun, Flower Pot, two diamonds, anchor, SBSS 1833 on lower left arm. Ring fourth finger of left hand

It is confirmed that Samuel & Sarah had, a daughter named Sarah, who was baptised in December 1834, but there is no record of any other children being born to the couple. I also note that Samuel’s previous conviction was for 2 years, which from what I’ve been advised Samuel was tried and convicted in the summer of 1832 for larceny. This leads us to think the male child listed above in the indent would have been born either before marriage or sometime in 1831.

If the male child as indicated on Samuel’s convict indent, is not William, then who was he and when was he born?  Also does this mean that Samuel & Sarah had a third child, being William born after Samuel left England?

If the male child was William George Baker, then this means he was born before Sarah, in at least 1832, but this does not coincide with the ages that William gives on the various documents found here in NSW.

Also, why aren’t Sarah and her children in the UK census? I have checked the 1841 & 1851 census for Suffolk but can find no record of them.  Did Sarah remarry, considering that there was no possible way for Samuel to return?  We know that from the shipping record for when William arrived in NSW in 1865, his mother Sarah is living in Woolwich Kent so that means that Sarah did not join her husband.

More questions than answers right now, but I do still think that Samuel & Sarah are William’s parents considering the connection between the Baker, Rice & King families but trying to find his baptism record and where he is in the 1841, 1851 & 1861 census, is frustrating, to say the least.

I will be undertaking further research on Samuel Baker, the convict to see where he went to once he arrived here. Did he remarry, did he have other children and when did he die, will a fluke occur and will his death certificate indicate the names of all of his children? Or will this remain one of those puzzles that we can only guess at, making assumptions based on what information we can find on the available records?

I’ve wanted to delve more into my UK ancestry for some time and if I wanted to continue I had to at least think about how I was going to do that, So on Thursday, I signed up for the premium monthly subscription through the www.ancestry.co.uk (which is where my original account was set up).  So there, I did it even though I was hesitant about hitting the submit button.

Anyway, I digress from the original topic of this post.  Please be with me, as this is a long post, but I just had to write down my research and notes as I went along over the last couple of days. Hope it’s not too confusing and overall the end should show some true findings on the Baldwin, Baker, King and Rice Families connections in Suffolk, England.  The sites I used were as follows:

Whilst searching for information on my ancestor, William George Baker (c1836-1881) and his wife Susan Baldwin (1842-1920), I saw that a number of trees had Susan’s parents different to what I had.

Most of the trees I found, had Susan’s mother to be Sarah Munnings, one has Sarah (no surname) and another Sarah Chambers and most also have the same ‘6’ children attached to them. There is a marriage in Dec 1825 between a John Baldwin & Sarah Munnings and from what I can see on the census records, John & Sarah Munnings had 6 children, one a Susan Baldwin born in 1845 in Suffolk, which is why there is some confusion. I do believe that this marriage and the associated children are not connected to my John & Sarah Baldwin. (The children were: John 1832, Charles 1836, Ann 1840, David 1843, Susan 1845 and Mary 1850).

I do think the following marriage between John & Sarah is the more likely marriage for my ancestors:

Parish Records Collection: 1538-2005

  • Date: 26.11.1826
  • Parish: Bures St Mary
  • Place: Newtown
  • County: Suffolk
  • Source: Suffolk Marriage Index: 1813-1837 (FindMyPast)

I have not found a record for a marriage between a John Baldwin & Sarah Chambers.

Here is a list of information that I already had:

  • Records in Australia show that Susan’s parents were John & Sarah Baldwin and she was from Bures, Suffolk and born around 1844.
  • On the shipping record for when William George & Susan Baker arrived in NSW in 1865, William is listed as having an ‘Uncle George King’ already living at Bundarra. I’m yet to find any shipping record of a George King arriving here prior to 1865 but there is a George King living at Bundarra in 1872.
  • On the marriage certificate of William & Susan in 1863, one of the witnesses is “MaryAnn Rice”.
  • For William Baker, his parents were Samuel Baker & Sarah King. A marriage was found in 1831 at Boxford, Suffolk.
  • I have a death certificate for a Sarah Baldwin died 4th June 1856 at Bures St Mary, Suffolk. She was 54 years and was the ‘wife of John Baldwin, agricultural labourer’.   Now that I’m looking more into this, I did find another two deaths for “Sarah Baldwin’” in the same area of Suffolk, both in 1859. One in Sudbury (4a/285) and the other, Bury St Edmonds (4a/337). I’m thinking now that maybe the death in 1856 is not the death for my Sarah.  I’m thinking the one in Sudbury is the more likely one. Sarah would have died after 1851 & before the 1861 census, as John is listed as a widower in 1861.
  • I can find no record of John & Sarah in the 1841 UK Census
  • John & Sarah appear in the 1851 UK census, along with two daughters:
    • John Baldwin (46) Born Bures, Suffolk – listed as ‘Pensioner – Chelsea’
    • Sarah Baldwin (47) Born Boxford, Suffolk
    • Maryann (11) Born Bastead, Suffolk
    • Susan (8) Born Stoke, Suffolk
  • John appears in the 1861 UK census along with daughter Susan
    • John Baldwin (55) Born Bures, Suffolk –listed as ‘Chelsea Pensioner’
    • Susan (17), Born Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk
  • In the 1871 UK Census, John Baldwin is shown as being a lodger with James & Mary Ann Rice at Assington, Sudbury, Suffolk and is 65, occupation is ‘Soldier – Pensioner’ and was born in Bures, St Mary.

John Baldwin died 28th June 1871 at Assington, Suffolk. He was 65 and his occupation is listed as ‘Chelsea Pensioner’.  I found John’s military record over at FindMyPast the other night and even though it is a little hard to read he states he was 18 years old and was born at Bures, St Mary and enlisted on the 14th November 1825 and served until 1846, which is probably why John & Sarah are not in the 1841 UK census as he served in the East Indies for almost 12 years, though I’m not sure of the date he left & returned at this stage.

  • James Rice married MaryAnn Baldwin in 1860 (4a/629) at Sudbury, Suffolk.

Further research on Ancestry and FamilySearch shows:

  • James Rice christening information:
    • Name: James Rice Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1838
    • Christening Date: 28 Jan 1838 Christening Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
    • Father’s Name: Samuel Rice Mother’s Name: Mary
  • James married Maryann Baldwin in 1860 at Suffolk
  • A number of public trees have James’ parents as Samuel Rice & Mary King. On one particular tree, Mary King’s parents are listed as:

I find the surname of King of interest here, seeing that William Baker had an Uncle George King already living in the colony, when he arrived in 1865. As yet, I have not found a shipping record that matches to this George King but I do think that this King family is related as Samuel Rice & Mary King were married on the same day in Boxford, Suffolk as Samuel Baker & Sarah King, the parents of William George Baker.

Name: Samuel Baker Gender: MaleSpouse’s name: Sarah KingMarriage Date: 18 May 1831Marriage Place: Boxford, Suffolk, EnglandRecord source: Suffolk Marriage Index (1813-37) Data provider: Suffolk Family History Society Name: Samuel Rice Gender: MaleSpouse’s name: Mary KingMarriage Date: 18 May 1831Marriage Place: Boxford, Suffolk, EnglandRecord source: Suffolk Marriage Index (1813-37) Data provider: Suffolk Family History Society

So from these two marriages I conclude that:

  • Sarah King (1809) & Mary King (1811) were sisters.
  • William George Baker (bc1836) and James Rice (bc1837) were cousins and they married Susan & Maryann Baldwin who were sisters.

So in all, a rather productive few days of research on my UK ancestors.  I’ll write more on the King and Rice connections another day.