I have been having a look at the Assessment Books & Sand’s Directories for Newtown for my ancestors Joseph Dilworth, Mary Quirk (later Dilworth) and Mary’s mother’ Catherine Quirk (nee Slattery). The assessment books are located here: http://www.sydneyarchives.info/rate-books and the Sand’s Directories are located here: http://www.sydneyarchives.info/sands-directories
I was checking to see where Joseph was living in the early 1860’s as in 1857 he sold a property in Australia Street Newtown, as detailed in a previous post.
Joseph does not appear in any of the Sand’s directories for Newtown, but from the assessment books for 1863 Joseph is listed in Horden Street Newtown (O’Connell Ward) and alongside him, Mrs C Quirk (which I believe to be Catherine Quirk – mother of Mary Dilworth, nee Quirk).
Below is a list of the Sand’s Directories and where they were living. Joseph & Mary had moved out of the area by 1866 (a daughter was born at Cox’s Creek) and Joseph died in 1877. Mary appears to have come back by 1883. She had started a relationship with Michael Milverton by the beginning of 1871, as they had 3 children in the early 1870’s. Mary & Michael did not marry until 1887.
From looking at the list below, it’s a bit hard to work out why Catherine Quirk was not listed in all of the directories as she appears in 1873 and then does not appear again until 1880, though still living at the same address. Catherine arrived in NSW in 1857 from Kilkenny Ireland, along with daughters Catherine & Margaret. Catherine died in 1891 and is buried at Rookwood Cemetery.
|Year||Name & Address||Comments|
|1863||Mrs Dilworth – Susan Street||I’d say this is Mary Dilworth – nee Quirk|
|1873||Quirk, Catherine Slattery, laundress – Susan Street, Camperdown & Newtown – West Side||Interesting that Catherine’s maiden name was included.|
|1880||Quirk, Catherine – Susan Street West Side|
|1883||Quirk, Mrs. Mary – Enmore road-North side||Not sure who this is: Though Mary Dilworth (nee Quirk) did use her maiden name when she married Michael Melverton in 1887.|
|1884||24 Quirk Mrs. Susan Street – South Side|
|1885||24 Quirk Mrs. Susan Street – South Side|
|1886||24 Quirk Mrs. Susan Street – South Side|
|1887||24 Quirk Mrs. Susan Street – South Side|
|1889||24 Quirk Mrs. Susan Street – South Side|
This is a list of my maternal ancestors. Also, forgive me as I try out different wordpress themes today.
My Maternal Grandmothers Ancestors
- My Grandmother
- Catherine Gladys Dilworth –(1900-1980)
- My Great Grandparents:
- Charles Patrick Dilworth (1861-1946) & Margaret McCormick (c1862-1932)
- My Great Great Grandparents
- Joseph Dilworth (c1807-1887) & Mary Quirk – (1832-1911)
- Dennis McCormick (c1815-1890 ) & Mary Fitzgerald (c1832-1905)
- My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
- John Dilworth & Ruth King (Tyrone Ireland)
- John Fitzgerald & Johanna (or Hanorah) O’Shaunnessey (Limerick, Ireland)
- Patrick & Catherine McCormick (or McCormack)
- John Quirk (1802-c1858, Kilkenny Ireland) and Catherine Slattery(c1811 -1891)
- My Great Great Great Grandparents (the ones that I know)
- James Quirke & Alice Reid (Tipperrary & St Johns Well Kilkenny, Ireland)
My Maternal Grandfather’s Ancestors
- My Grandfather
- Herbert William Baker (1903-1958)
- My Great Grandparents
- Alfred Baker (1866-1909) and Ellen Mathews (1881-1966)
- My Great Great Grandparents
- William George Baker (c1836-1881) and Susan Baldwin (c1842-1921)
- George Mathews (c1842 – no known death has been recorded) & Ellen Shoulders (1856-1921)
- My Great Great Great Grandparents
- Samuel Baker & Sarah King (Boxford, Suffolk)
- John Baldwin (1806 – Bures St Mary Suffolk –died 1871 -) & Sarah Reason (died: 1856)
- John Shoulders (c1816 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire-died1858) – other spelling of Surname is Shouler or Showler – & Mary ann Hanratty , alias Ryan – (c1835-1909)
- My Great Great Great Great Grandparents
- Arthur Hanratty alias Robert Johnston, alias Robert Hanratty, (c1807-?) & Ellen Moran both of Monaghan, Ireland
Area’s they were born, lived or died
|Surname||Places in the England or Ireland||Places in Australia|
|Baker||Bures St Mary, Sudbury, Boxford, Suffolk||Boggabri New South Wales,Narrabri, New South Wales|
|Baldwin||Bures St Mary, SuffolkAssington, Suffolk||Boggabri, New South Wales|
|Dilworth||Tyrone, Ireland||Newtown, New South WalesMaitland, New South WalesBoggabri, New South Wales|
|Mary QuirkQuirke||St Johns Well, Kilkenny, IrelandTipperary, Ireland||Newtown, New South Wales, Boggabri, New South Wales|
|Catherine Slattery||Tiperrary, Ireland||Newtown, New South Wales|
|Dennis McCormick/McCormack||Greenock, Scotland (though believe Dennis to have been born in Armagh Ireland) he was tried in Greenock, but his convict indent says he was from Armagh Ireland||Greta, Branxton,Maitland, New South Wales|
|Mary Fitzgerald||Stonehoyle, Limerick , Ireland||As above|
|Mathews||Prospect, New South Wales,Bundarra, New South WalesLaura Station,Bundarra, New South WalesBoggabri, New South Wales|
|Shoulders/Showler/Shouler||Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire||Armidale, New South Wales|
|Hanratty, Henratty||Armagh, IrelandTried in Monaghan, Ireland||Various places throughout New South Wales|
Note: I published this yesterday but I accidently deleted it.
Since my last post in late January I haven’t done any work on my family history. I have been too busy with my day job and then the weekend comes and all I want to do is ‘nothing’.
I am finally going to have a couple of days off, in two weeks, so my plan is to go out to the NSW State Records office at Kingswood to do some research on one of these days. I’m particularly interested to see if I can track down some information on Samuel Baker (convict – arrived ‘England’ 1835), as well as some other bits for other ancestors, which next week, I’ll start to look at so that I have an actual plan and see if I need be order the documents ready for viewing before I go. The last time I visited the records office was in September & October 2009.
I have though been reading some blogs. I have RSS reader on my iPhone and do check what new posts have been made throughout the day.If I have read an interesting one then I copy it over to Evernote and eventually I’ll be able to go back to it, to have a proper read, especially if the post is something I am interested in, such as UK or Ireland research tips or links.
Yesterday, I registered to do the ‘English Parish Records’ via National Institute of Genealogical Studies commencing on the 4th April and it goes for 8 weeks. I’m also registered to do the Social Media for Genealogists, which also starts on the 4th April, which goes for 5 weeks. The social media one is free, though it does have a compulsory book that you need to order for US$18.95.
I’ll let you know what I think of both courses, especially the English Parish Registers one, as I did start the three (3) week course that was recently run by Pharos Tutors on ‘All About Parish Registers’. I’ll leave my thoughts on that until later when I compare the two courses.
I also have received a reply finally from the Suffolk Records Office on buying the microfiche for Boxford & Bures St Mary for my One Place Studies. I would still like to transcribe the parish registers,but I still need to obtain permission to publish the data to my Boxford Suffolk OPS which I’m yet to do. I also need to track down a cheap microfiche reader, as I’d rather be at home transcribing instead of having to go to the library. It would be easier at home also, as then I can transcribe directly from the fiche to the PC. So for now, I’ll be concentrating on the census records for both parishes and I’ll look at purchasing the registers at a later date. For anyone interested, there is also a One Place Studies Index which came live late last year and is regularly being updated, One Place Studies Index
Thats it for now..
The original idea for this originated from Shelly from the Twigs of Yore. I have been trying to decide which ancestor to choose and which document too choose as there are a few I could have chosen, I have decided though to dicuss my earliest known free immigrant ancestor, Joseph Dilworth. I do have 5 direct ancestors who arrived as convicts between 1827 and 1839 but the details of these ancestors only came to light in the last few years, whereas the information I have had on Joseph, I obtained almost 20 years ago, when I first began my family history. I’ll be writing about my convict heritage in another post sometime soon.
Joseph Dilworth who was born around 1807 Killyman, Tyrone, Ireland. Jospeh arrived in New South Wales, with his first wife Elizabeth and son Josias Wilison on board the ship Wilson on the 7th January 1842. I am descended through Joseph’s second marriage to Mary Quirk, and they married in March 1857, 3 months after Elizabeth died in 1856. I suspect that Joseph married quickly and only wanted a mother to his fiive children from his first marriage. Joseph & Mary went onto have 6 children, before seperating about 1870 when Mary began a relationship and had 3 children with Michael Melvyton.
The earliest document that I have is the copy of the shipping record from the Index to Bounty Immigrants Arriving in N.S.W., Australia, 1828-1842. I’ve had this for about 20 years when I printed it off, from the microfilm at the local library. Back when I first began tracing my family history, all of my research was done at my local library, scouring microfiche, micofilms, books and indexes, which took a lot of time do unlike now. You can now view the indexes to the Bounty Immigrants arriving in NSW as well as the original image on line for free at Family Search.
The information provided was:
Principal’s Name: Joseph Dilworth Estimated birth year: 1818 Age in years: 24 Native place of Principal: Killyman, Tyrone, Father’s name: John Mother’s name: Ruth Spouse’s name: Elizabeth Dilworth Native place of spouse: Tullaniskan, Tyrone, Spouse’s Father’s name: John Ditty Spouse’s Mother’s name: Nancy Ship: Wilson Date of arrival: 07 Jan 1842.
Have a good Australia Day everyone…
Since my last update a few weeks ago, I haven’t spent a lot of time doing any research, as I have been extremely busy with my day job and will continue to be over the next month or so, so won’t have time to blog or do much research. Though in saying that I have completed or started to do the following since my last update.
- Sent an email two weeks ago to the Suffolk Records Office, to enquire about purchasing the parish registers for Boxford so that I can start some research on my One Place Study. Unfortunately, I’m yet to receive a reply from them.
- Started to extract all marriages that occurred in Boxford Suffolk from the ” Allegations for Marriage Licences, from the Archdeaconry of Sudbury, Suffolk, 1684-1839″ which I obtained from English Parish Registers and all those noted as being from Boxford but married elsewhere in Suffolk for my OPS.
- Spent some time searching the UK census records and marriage records for Sarah Baker (nee King) and her daughter Sarah Baker (baptised in 1834 at Boxford), as well as again trying to find William George Baker in the census but once again to no avail.
- Received an ancestor approved award from Pauleen at Familys Across the Sea’s which was great but I will deal with in another post at some point.
- Found an entry on the NSW Australia Gaol Description & Entrance Books 1818-1930 for a John Shoulder and the information found matches back to the convict listed as ‘ John Showler’, who arrived on the Countess of Harcourt in 1828. I still need to take a trip to the NSW State Records office at Kingswood to look at some original records but I am now begining to believe this John Showler/John Shoulder was my GGG Grandfather. Click here to view my previous post on John
My Next post will be next Wendesday 26th January, Australia Day
This week I did the following:
- Now that the NSW Birth Death and Marriages have released an extra year on their online indexes, I ordered a transcription of the my maternal grandmother’s death certificate, who passed away in 1980
- I recorded events into my Legacy database for all family members who were in WW1 and recorded the appropriate sources. I have now filed these documents into a folder.
- Created a task list in Excel of the research I need to undertake. A copy of this is now located on this blog at Current Research.
- Made a couple of posts over at Rootschat, looking for help on a couple of ancestors. I ended up in contact with a family connection for my King & Baker lines.
- The registrations for the Certificate Course for 2011 run by the Society of Australian Genealogists is now open for financial members. Last week I said that I wanted to do this, either in 2011 or 2012. At this stage, it looks like I will be looking to do this in 2012, as I am currently not a financial member of SAG, though I used to be many years ago. I let my membership lapse, as I never had the time to visit the library, considering I work full time and I live over an hour away via public transport and the only time I would get to the library is Saturday afternoons, which at present is not a viable option. The current cost to join is $70 (Yearly membership) + $20 joining fee, which is fine, except that this would only last 6 months and then I would need to pay another $70 in July for the next 12 months. So I’ll be looking to join the society again in the second of of this year. I can see that membership would have it’s benefits, in particular “Access to millions of parish registers and other sources microfilmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah”, especially in light of the fact that I am currently undertaking a one place study on Boxford, Suffolk but right now, I can’t see myself visiting the library the first half of this year.
- Spent some time on IHR Family History Resource looking at the various documents, such as the 1870-1871 NSW Electoral Rolls & the 1878-1879 NSW Electoral Rolls, looking for references to my ancestors William Baker & George King. I note that the IHR site costs $40 per year to access the documents.
Next week I will be:
- As suggested by Shelley over at Twigs of Lore, I’ll start to plan on what I will write about on the Australia day blog.
- Follow up on replies received on Rootschat posts and work on suggestions made.
- With any luck my new photo album that I purchased from Gould Genealogy will arrive and I’ll start to put some of my photos together. Actually thought it would have arrived yesterday, so that I could work on it this weekend but unfortunately it did not.
- Update some of the pages and information on my family tree website.
- Continue to work on my King & Baker lines.
I have added a new page to my blog – Current Research and Activities which shows a list of my current research or other activities, such as general genealogy housekeeping.
A seperate page will be added to show the completed research and I’ll write an blog entry as I progress.
This time last year I did not have any real plans for my research. I only made two goals for the year and one was to get fit again, especially after the previous 12 months of inactivity due to illness.
My other goal was to spend more time doing my family history, whatever or wherever that took me. I have to say that both goals have been achieved with I’d say much success. I am 100% fitter and happier than before (doing ‘Bootcamp’ 3 nights a week helps!!!) and my one fitness goal for 2011 is to run in the 4km Mother’s Day Classic which helps support Breast Cancer Research. My Sister had Breast Cancer and is now what they say, in remission.
As for my family history, I did not have anything in particular I wanted to achieve but this is a list of what I did do:
- Started this blog in May 2010
- Kept up to date with my website – www.baker1865.com
- Using Irish Family History Foundation new search function I was able to track down the baptism & marriage records of my Quirk family in Kilkenny Ireland.
- Decided to give AncestryUK a go, as I figured without it, my UK research just wouldn’t be going anywhere.
- Made two family connections, one with my Baker family and the other with my Harris family, who were both able to provide some additional information.
- Scanned all of my photos to my computer.
- Trawled through http://trove.nla.gov.au/ on a regular basis and found a number of newspaper articles on various ancestors.
- Completed two online Genealogy Courses from Pharos Tutors
- Commenced a One Place Study on Boxford, Suffolk. I have already compiled the 1841 census for Boxford.
- Purchased a number of programs/data to help with my research, including: National Burial Index England & Wales, – Third Edition, Suffolk Marriage Index 1813-1837, Suffolk Burial Index 1538-1900, Sudbury Suffolk Marriage Licences 1684-1839, Phillimores Suffolk Marriage Registers Vol 1 -4, South Australian National Directory 1867-1868, Deaths from South Australian Government Gazettes 1845-1941
- Attended the History & Genealogy Expo Sydney 2010, in September
- Found the Chelsea Pensioner Record for my Ancestor John Baldwin
- Worked on my Quirke, Baker, Baldwin, Harris, Richer & Scutcher Families.
- And a whole lot of other research
For 2011, I intend to:
- I have now scanned all of my photos, including all of the photos that my grandmother who passed away in September had. She left behind 8 photo albums and there were quite a few photos taken in the 1950’s and 60’s. There were also a couple of photos her father, her uncle and cousins. They are all now on my computer. Next step is to attach the photos to the individuals in my database.
- Create an actual research task list of things I want to achieve this year of my direct ancestors. To include the names of people, what research needs to be done, and where to find it. Legacy does have a good ‘research task list’, but I need something that is right there in front of me, and maybe a good old excel spread sheet might do the trick.
- Continue to write this blog at least every fortnight
- Play around with Evernote. Today I downloaded and installed Evernote as I was looking for something to record my never ending notes of research that I am currently undertaking, instead of writing it down on a piece of paper as I am going along, (and not finding it again). I have read some reviews on a few other genealogy blogs, so it will be interesting to see if I use the program or revert back to my old ways. I don’t want to use it to attach actual records or documents as when I do find something, such as a document I find on Ancestry, I immediately download it and save it to the appropriate surname folder, but need something instead to record: a. Those bits of information that I am not ready to record into my Legacy Database. b. Those bits of information that I need to do further research on
- Complete more online courses from Pharos Tutors, in particular “All About Parish Registers”
- I want to do the Certificate in Genealogical Research from the Society of Australian Genealogists, so need to decide by March 2011, whether to start it this year or next year.
- Continue to save enough money to go to Gallipoli in 2012.
- Pass more information on to my parents as I continue my research. I have been doing my family history for over 20 years but haven’t really discussed the things I have found out. Only little bits and pieces every now and again. I want to put all that I currently have into a viewable report for them to both read.
- Whatever else that I find interesting
I saw two quotes in today’s paper that I found interesting –
“The key to life is to accept all challenges” – Bette Davis
“The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing” – Walt Disney
Have an enjoyable 2011 in all that you do……
Last week I was sent an invitation by a ‘distant’ cousin to his my heritage.com website. We are related through our common ancestor, my GGG grandmother. I am connected through her first marriage and he is connected through her second marriage. I logged in and the first thing I noticed that there were quite a number of people in the ‘database’. Many of these names I was able to see were of ‘living’ people and all of the personal data, photos could be accessed. Not one person’s details that was shown to still be living were hidden. I ignored this at the time and didn’t think too much else about it, and thought that I would comment about seeing these details at a later time seeing that I had other more important family issues to deal with.
Today I find out that I am no longer a member of the site. Why? Because yesterday I took a closer look and I actually found my mother, my two uncles and some details of some other of my close living relatives on the site. I have never given this person any information about my immediate family.
Whenever I exchange information with someone, I always provide a gedcom file that only goes to my great grandparents. I sent an email to the site owner yesterday with the following:
“I have removed all details relating to living people that are directly connected to me from your site. I don’t understand how you would have this information as I never provide details about living persons on my family tree to ANYONE. When I exchange data with someone, I only provide a gedcom file down to my great grandparents, so I am again unsure how you have information on the 3 next generations. Can you let me know who provided this information to you? Also, when other people provide me data, sometimes they provide details on all generations even for those that are living (like you did,). My policy is that I normally do NOT upload the information on the living people given to me to my legacy family tree database and if I do, I then mark them as both living and their details as being private and not available for publication. Please show me the courtesy of not publishing the details of my living relatives on your website as I do for you”
Was I wrong in doing this? Apparently yes, as the response I got this morning was: ‘my website is a private site open only to family members and they don’t object!!!!”.
I’m sorry but I do object. I object to having details about my immediate family available to be seen by people I don’t know and are technically not related to my family and if they are, then they are very distant. Just like I object to seeing the private details of people I don’t know. And I still question how he obtained the details of my mother, my uncles and other members. I’ll be honest I am not sure who he would have received these details from.
On My Hertiage, a private site, means that “– The Family Site and Family Tree will be accessible only to site members and webmasters”.
I actually feel sick in the stomach to think that this person has gone as far as removing me from accessing the site seeing that I have objected to having private details available to all members of the site. The concern here is that one, I have been removed from being a member of the site, due to my objections, but also that there appears to be a glaring security and privacy issue with My Heritage.com and I had hoped the site owner would have understood this.
I have done a Google search and have tried to find some information on the privacy settings on the My Heritage website but this is all I could find http://blog.myheritage.com/2010/07/new-feature-packed-profile-pages/ and a comment at the bottom says:
“About privacy, you should also keep in mind that on heritage data of living people (first names, birth dates, etc) is always private! So even if your site is set to public, guests will see instead of the first name and no further data”.
The above is not the case in relation to the site that I was given access to. Details about people who I do not know, were visible, such as their birth dates, marriage dates, photos, comments. Even as a private site and being member should not give a person the right to view these details about living relatives that they do not know just becuase they are a member of the site.
Going to the community page, http://www.myheritage.com/community and finding that I can access and view data and photos of a number of people from around the world is another concern. If the claim on the front of their website is true, that My Heritage.com is free private and secure, than I should not be able to see these details at all.
So what do I do now? Do I send a complaint to My heritage or just live in hope that the site owner actually is going to show me the courtesy of not publishing data about the details of my family who are still living?
I am sitting here wondering if I should get excited or just stay calm. I’m wondering if after 20 odd years, I’ve actually found when my ancestor John Shoulders arrived in NSW.
All the information that I know up today, was that he married Mary Ryan (Ryan is on the marriage certificate but actual maiden name was Hanratty), in 1851 at Armidale.
John & Mary had 4 children, of who the youngest Ellen Shoulders was my GG Grandmother. According to her birth certificate in 1856, John was aged ‘40’ and had been born in Aylesbury Buckinghamshire.
John died in May 1858 at Hernani, New South Wales. His death certificate stated that he was 42 and had been in the colony for 26 years, making his arrival to be about 1832 and therefore making his age to be about 16 when he arrived. I’ve never been able to find what ship he arrived. With his age and the year of arrival, I always wondered, was he a convict?
A few weeks ago I requested a research service from the Buckinghamshire Family History Society to provide a list of all the baptism’s, burials & marriages for the surname of Shoulders, spanning from 1750-1850 across Buckinghamshire, using all possible variant spellings, including Shouldar, Showler, Shouler, Shouldar. With this, there were a few possibilities with baptisms in Aylesbury ranging from 1804 to 1816.
I then did a search on the NSW State Record Online Index for John, using a number of different variant spellings, which I had not considered doing before.
This is what I find:
- SHOWLER John Countess of Harcourt 1828 33/758 Ticket of Leave [4/4090; Reel 920] District: Inverary; Tried: Bucks QS
- SHOWLER John Countess of Harcourt 1828 40/0846 15 May 1840 Certificate of Freedom [4/4358; Reel 1006] TL 33/758
I then checked the UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849 Record for John Showler and find that he was tried at Aylesbury Buckinghamshire on the 15th January 1828 for stealing bacon, and pork. Another record shows that John was 21 and that he is listed as being in custody before and of ‘bad character’. His NSW convict indent in 1828 though shows that he was only 20. He arrived in April 1828 but does not appear in the NSW 1828 Census.
From checking the baptism records a John Showler, the closest possible baptism is one that is recorded in 1804 to parents James & Esther both of Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
Despite this John Showler being about 10 years older than John Shoulders, could he actually be John Shoulders? There are no records of John Shoulders prior to his marriage in 1851 in NSW or any of the other Australian states and apart from the TOL and CF that John Showler received in 1840, there appears so far to be no other record of John Showler in NSW. I note that at this present time I am in no way confirming that John Showler is John Shoulders but just putting it out there that MAYBE they might be the one and the same. So if you are connected to the Shouler/Showler family in Aylesbury Buckinghamshire, let me know and maybe we might be able to confirm the connection. I am the type of person who will not confirm a connection until I have positive proof.
I also note that a Thomas Showler, also arrived in 1832 on board the Georgina. On his convict indent, it states that he had a cousin John Showler living in the colony for 3 years.
- SHOWLER Thomas Georgiana 1831 38/1157 Ticket of Leave [4/4121; Reel 930] District: Goulburn; Born: Bucks; Trade: Ploughs; Tried: Bucks QS
- SHOWLER Thomas Georgiana 1831 49/0225 11 May 1849 Certificate of Freedom [4/4412; Reel 1026] TL 39/1157
I’ve also found reference to a James Shoulder born Aylesbury, who had served in the 11th Dragoons. From checking James’ military record on Find My Past, James had enlisted in 1817 and was discharged in 1838. He is in the 1841 census and living at Aylesbury, also in the household is a Mary Showler (45), Thomas Wheeler (20) and Joseph Freman (10). The next census I find James is in the 1871 census and he is living at Chelsea London with his wife Elizabeth (60) and with two children Henry (20) and Sophia (19). From checking and comparing the baptism records for Aylesbury, it appears James’s parents were Thomas & Mary or Maria and is ‘possibly’ the brother to Thomas Showler, the convict who arrived here in 1832, as his parents appear to have been Thomas & Maryann.